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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 May 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

That seems to be another part of the issue.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

We continue to have a problem with misinformation and people who are Covid sceptic or vaccine sceptic. I understand that some of the data that has been produced has been misused, misquoted or twisted and, as a result, Public Health Scotland will not continue to publish some of the figures. There was an interesting article by Helen McArdle in Saturday’s Herald, which, to be frank, I struggled to understand. Will you clarify what the problem was? I think that it might have been to do with how the unvaccinated population is counted. Will you clarify why the data is not solid and why it is not being published?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

That is helpful. I certainly remember that, when I was young, we saw the same GP every single time.

On a slightly different issue, the Scottish Intensive Care Society’s submission mentions resources, which is touched on in other submissions. It says:

“The health service budget is finite and was under resourced given the demands even before the pandemic.”

We have already mentioned preventative spend. Dr Miles, are you arguing that we as a society need to spend more on health? Assuming that we are not going to cut that money from universities or schools, are you arguing that that will probably mean higher taxes, or are you arguing that we should be using money differently and better in the health service?

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

I was not surprised to hear you say that it was a political question, although I should say that the statement that the health service is underresourced is political, too, and one of my jobs is to ask where you think the money will come from.

On a similar theme, I note that Dr Thomson’s submission talks about the need for extra beds, but with regard to the concept of preventative spend, a lot of people would say that we should give GPs more money and chop it off hospitals. How do we get that tension right?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

Dr Shackles, does there need to be a shift away from hospitals towards primary care?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

I will quote your paper again, although other witnesses might want to come in on the issue. Point B of paragraph 1 refers to the United States, and states that

“around one third of excess deaths may relate to non-COVID causes.”

My question is a more general one. Are there any lessons that we can learn from the United States, or from some of our closer neighbours such as France, Germany or the Netherlands, about how they have dealt with Covid and whether they have dealt with non-Covid cases differently during the pandemic and so on? Professor Elder, can you start?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

I think that that is the area that article touched on. There was also mention of ghost patients. I understand that the population of people who are registered with a GP is higher than the population as a whole.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

That is fine. Professor Leitch’s answer dealt with the problem. It is helpful to get it on the record.

We are expanding the vaccinations slightly and some people are getting a fourth dose or second booster. Will you give us an indication of where that might be going? Will we go right through the population again from the oldest to the youngest or will annual boosters wait until the autumn for the under-75s?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement, Coronavirus Acts Reports and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

My next question is on testing, which has been mentioned already. If we do not get funding from the UK, or if the UK does not fund the testing kits and so on, will that seriously curtail what we can do?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Excess Deaths Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

John Mason

Do any of the other witnesses know whether there are other European countries that we can learn from or that have done anything particularly well compared with us? I can see everyone shaking their heads. That is okay—I will move on.