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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Okay. I will leave it at that. If you want to write to us, you can do so. I am an outsider to this, so I was simply intrigued.

My final point is on the question of costs for other organisations. Scotland’s Rural College suggested that farms would have to produce whole-farm plans and that there would be a cost to that. Would you accept that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

It was Social Security Scotland, which is aiming for 5.2 per cent. I therefore wonder whether the figure of 11 per cent is okay, or good. How do we judge that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

So, although the financial memorandum says that the implementation cost has been excluded, in effect, it assumes that the present costs will carry on roughly as they are. Is that fair?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

You mentioned IT. In paragraph 62, you refer back to last time that there was

“significant IT modernisation and business change”,

when the cost was £178 million. In fact, it says that that programme

“did not deliver all the aims and benefits originally envisaged”.

Where are we with IT?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

I do not think that the national reserve is referred to in the policy or financial memorandum, although it was in the consultation.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

That would be less than 10 per cent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

I just wondered whether it was referring to a different figure, or whether I was misreading it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

I am sorry—that was a little unfair of me. I think that you are saying that that will be one of the factors that you consider when you look at how we might go forward. If one particular scheme could be run easily compared to another scheme that would be complex to run, you would take into account the cost of administration.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Paragraph 56 of the financial memorandum talks about the transition costs, which are to be £64 million. I assume that that is a one-off cost and will happen over a period but not be repeated. The following paragraph goes on to say that implementation costs are not included. It says:

“These costs are currently excluded”.

Will you explain to me the difference between transition costs and implementation costs and why the implementation costs are excluded?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

John Mason

Might that include more IT investment?