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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

We would all prefer that some of those things did not happen, but you have talked of a once-in-a-lifetime event. I will play devil’s advocate again. Let us say that the bill passes and is enacted and a once-in-a-lifetime event occurs, which leads to court action. The defence from the folks who have committed the offence is, “Well, we did all of that within the permits that we were given,” and we have not actually modernised the permitting system—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

Thank you, convener, and let us hope that it is only twice.

You might have got the gist of where I was going, Shivali, with my playing devil’s advocate again. In a situation in which the ecocide bill has been enacted and an offender appears in court and says that they did everything in line with the permitting system, which has not been modernised, how would a court react? I know that it is difficult to guess, but my thoughts are that a court would say, “Oh well, they did everything within the permissions that they had.” It might well be that the overarching ecocide legislation would do nothing, because we had not modernised the permit system around it. Do you have any comment on that, please?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

No, to Shivali, please.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

Can I get this right for the record? You are saying that permitting would not be a defence when it comes to the bill, if enacted.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

That is clear. We talked with the earlier panel about some of the existing legislation and regulation, particularly section 40 of the Regulatory Reform (Scotland) Act 2014; we also talked about how the bill could possibly interact with environmental liability regulations. The conversation then drifted on to permits and licensing. Some of you have already said that what might be required is a review of licensing or permissions rather than this overarching bill. Do you have comments about section 40 of the 2014 act, and what do you think about permits and licensing?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

Catherine, does that apply to your members?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

None of you has mentioned the Scottish National Investment Bank. What are your dealings with it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

You have covered a lot of ground, but the key element—and the message from your agencies, I would imagine—is that, in order for places to thrive and for young folk to continue to live and work in certain places, we have to take cognisance of their needs and not necessarily the needs of folks who have maybe given up work, who like their place as it is and who dinna really want any change. Quite frankly, places will not thrive or survive if we do not get this right. Would that be fair?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

Good morning. Mr Gillespie, you have said that one of your missions is to accelerate the energy transition. I want to look at proactivity. You are currently in a joint mission with the Scottish Government to Japan to promote the offshore wind sector and to show the world Scotland’s growing expertise and leadership in that sector. That is proactive, and you may want to say more about that. However, do you think that there is enough proactivity from you on the ground in Scotland itself? Many companies in the north-east of Scotland will have to diversify—many are already diversifying—and we have gained a huge amount of skills through oil and gas. Are you proactively ensuring that existing companies can make that transition? What are you doing proactively to ensure that those companies have a future and can retain their workforces?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Kevin Stewart

Yes.