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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Willie Rennie

You have made it very clear that it will not be easy to absorb this into budgets and that staffing cannot just be magicked up but takes time to develop, which may cause consequences elsewhere—I get that. You have talked about a cost increase of 42 per cent, although I think it may be 50 per cent overall, compared with what was in the original financial memorandum. The total budget is still only £18 million out of a £10 billion budget for local government, so it should not be impossible to absorb that. Also, there should be significant longer-term benefits from spending to save, although we never quite realise those because we never fully disinvest from other areas. I get all of that.

However, I am not clear about what you want to be done. You are in favour of the bill but you are worried that, once we get to stage 2, there will be a momentum and it will just happen. What precisely do you want the Government and the committee to do about that? I am not clear on that. You have put up the warning signs, but, if we are not to end up with a problem later, what precisely do we need to do?

I do not know whether Ben Farrugia or Jillian Gibson wants to start.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Willie Rennie

It does.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Willie Rennie

As that second lot of questions was rather less enthusiastically greeted, convener, I will stop there.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Willie Rennie

Right—that is fine. [Laughter.]

Are the costings for the secure accommodation aspect reasonably well worked out? Are there any comments on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

I understand the technical explanation—we have heard that before—but, at that time, you could have made a decision to apply the policy of having no compulsory redundancies to the college sector, but you did not. I am wondering why you excluded colleges from it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

Yes, but you have a choice. You have said that you are not in favour of having compulsory redundancies. At the time of the Office for National Statistics reclassification, you could have determined that the policy applied to the college sector as well. Why did you not do so?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

I know that you were not.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

So, when Mike Russell was cabinet secretary, he could have applied that rule. Is that right?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

This is part of a trend. I have spoken to college staff several times, and they feel quite aggrieved. You intervened in the teachers’ pay dispute, but you refuse to intervene now. Why are you again drawing a distinction between cases where you intervene and others where you do not? What is the rationale for that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

I agree that we need to reach a settlement. The situation has gone on for years, and the foundations are weak. Can you imagine how the staff feel, though? Not only will you not apply the no compulsory redundancies policy—