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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Willie Rennie

Okay. Let us say that you have clear evidence that a council has ignored your warnings and has cut teacher numbers. If you withdraw the funding, what does the council do next? For example, what happens if the council decides that, as a result of that cut in funding, it has to make further cuts in teacher numbers? Will you impose a further penalty on that council? How does that work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Willie Rennie

If you penalise councils that believe that they have no other choice than to cut teacher numbers, is it possible that there could be even fewer teachers at the end of that process? Is that a possible scenario?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Willie Rennie

There is no point in having the threat of a penalty if you are not prepared to contemplate the consequences of that penalty. You have to accept that we could end up with a scenario in which councils have even less funding and, therefore, cannot employ as many teachers as they would like, so there will be a further cut in teacher numbers. You have to accept that that is a possibility with the penalty.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Willie Rennie

One advantage of making legislation in the way that we are doing in this case is that, irrespective of the content of the bill, it puts a focus on the issues.

I was fortunate to meet representatives of The Usual Place in Dumfries, who attended an event that I was at last week. They provide confident leadership in disability. I am also familiar with Zest cafe in St Andrews. Lisa, who runs that organisation, has no time at all for employers who say that they cannot get enough people to work for their organisations. She employs people with learning difficulties and people from a variety of backgrounds and with different disabilities. She thinks that employers—not all of them, but quite a lot of them—are not educating themselves enough to understand the talent that is available among that cohort. What more can we do to educate employers on the assets that they are missing out on?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 February 2023

Willie Rennie

Whatever the merits or demerits of the bill, it has brought a focus on the issues, which is in itself helpful. I am struck by my encounters with constituents and organisations. I meet parents who are experts at championing their children’s rights, which they often do until quite late in life. They are brilliant at it, and they are ferocious. We need to draw more on their talents.

I am also struck by employers and organisations that I meet that are frustrated because other employers do not understand the full potential of this untapped resource. Rather than look at people as a burden, we can look at them as an opportunity for employers.

There is also an opportunity for the young people and for older people. Many of the people we are talking about live until quite old age, so we need to consider their lifelong opportunities. Do employers fully understand their potential? If not, what can we do to persuade them to understand it? That is for whoever would like to contribute. I will let you pick.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

It seems that you do not understand why the rate has fallen. Why has the percentage gone down?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

I will stop there, but I am really concerned that you do not know why that has happened. We really performed well—it was the golden nugget—and now the amount of funding is dropping. You have not given an explanation as to why, and I do not think that we are going to get one.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

We are a third of the way through this session of the Parliament and seven years on from when the First Minister made a commitment to prioritise education. However, I would argue that the improvement has been marginal at best. I do not really want to trade stats, because we could be here all day if we did that, so let me be fair—I am always fair. The ACEL figures show that, in the past five years, the literacy attainment gap has been cut at primary level but we are seeing only a 1 per cent improvement, whereas, at level 3 in secondary, the gap has grown by almost 3 per cent. Are you satisfied with that situation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

Okay. My next question focuses on the pace of reform. The Parliament voted in 2017 or so to get rid of the Scottish Qualifications Authority and Education Scotland, and we will get the replacements in 2024, seven years later. Following the Stobart review and the OECD review of the transition from the broad general education to the senior phase and the two-term dash, we will get Louise Hayward’s report in May. I really want to know whether that will be a worked-up plan. Will it be ready to implement within this parliamentary session? How long will it take?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

My question is about universities. What planning have you done in the event that China invades Taiwan, resulting in a reduction in the number of Chinese students coming to Scottish universities?