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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

You are saying that you just do not recognise that power imbalance.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Okay. I will come to my question for SAAS in a minute, but first of all I want to turn to the Scottish Funding Council. You say that you will prioritise apprenticeships, but let us consider the power that universities—and, to a lesser extent, colleges—hold versus that of the individuals and smaller companies who benefit from apprenticeships, and let us also compare the scale of the funding. If there were a crisis in some part of the other areas for which you are responsible—in other words, colleges or universities—you would surely be under enormous pressure to take funding from apprenticeships to plug that hole. Knowing the balance of power across the various areas that you fund, you cannot tell me that apprenticeships will not be vulnerable if there are problems elsewhere.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

We have the bill to consider, though.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

You can see why we have a problem. Authoritative people, whom we respect, are telling us one thing, but you are telling us another—there is no coming together at all.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

That is pretty dismissive of a Government-sanctioned report that has been embraced by ministers and has been implemented in legislation. Can you really call it an opinion piece?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

I am interested that you do not want to deliver massive shocks into the system at a time when you are transferring massive sums from one organisation to another, but I will leave that to one side.

Your colleagues spoke to the committee before about Dundee university. Our concern at that point was that they were not telling ministers the truth about the financial situation—or it might be better to say that they were not being frank with ministers about the dire situation in universities. Is it not a concern to you that, following that, we will not be publishing the financial sustainability report for our universities and colleges until months later? Might that not feed into our anxiety that you are not being frank with ministers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

My question is for Clare Reid. Some, although not all, of the businesses and business organisations that I speak to are pretty angry about what is happening. They think that they are going to lose two things. One is business or employer involvement in the organisation that is responsible for the funding. Secondly, because they see that the university and college sector is under financial stress, they think that funding will be diverted away from apprenticeships. I am puzzled as to why your members are not reflecting that wider concern that I am picking up.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

You both started the session by being quite positive about the bill, but you are getting more negative as you give your answers. Is that a fair representation of where this is going?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Earlier, you made a point about the need to have the proper resource to get the right people with the capacity to deliver the change. From your knowledge and experience over the years in various sectors—the public sector and the university sector—do you think that that is going to happen? From what you have seen before, do you have much confidence that the process will be properly resourced in that way?

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Did the minister ask the review group to consider the amendments? Did he not think that that would be an appropriate thing to do?