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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Again, you can understand our concern. Let us imagine that you put back in a relatively small amount of money—say, 50 per cent of the apprenticeship funding will be put back in with the remaining 50 per cent. It is not quite the 3 per cent that you mentioned, Mr Yeates, but we will take that. You can see, then, how the apprenticeship aspect might be dwarfed by the rest of the sector and how it might be possible to siphon off money elsewhere when the pressure is on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Yes, but you are all about colleges and universities.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Those people have practical, tangible experience of your organisation, and they are telling me the opposite of what you have said.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Okay.

Mr Greer made a point earlier about the Audit Scotland report—which, again, was very scathing. Do you think that that is not relevant any more?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Mr Yeates, the Withers report was pretty scathing about the SDS. I will give you a few snatches of the commentary. It refers to “competing narratives”, “duplication”, “lack of clarity”,

“lack of leadership and effective governance”,

and “harmful, false division”. A particularly critical bit is the comment that it

“doesn’t always appear that”

the SDS

“makes decisions or demonstrates behaviours which are focused first on public service delivery or the needs of learners. This dynamic is acting as a blocker for partnership working, joined-up thinking and delivery across the public sector.”

What is your response?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Do they see the process as a bit of a distraction?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Why do you not publish that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

It will be months late.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

I will come back on one of those points. Does that not slightly push against what Clare Reid expressed a desire for, which was pace, in order to make sure that we can get on with dealing with the substance rather than the structure? If you are saying that the process will take time, does that not undermine the solving of the very things that Clare wants to solve?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

I am sorry—I am talking about the people in SDS who would be transferred over. Surely they would be distracted by thinking, “Will I have a job next month?”, “Where will I be?” and “What will my terms and conditions be?”, instead of focusing all their efforts on trying to do the things that you are talking about.