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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 27 September 2022
Edward Mountain
Because you were so quick, cabinet secretary, I am going to allow a last question from Liam Kerr.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 27 September 2022
Edward Mountain
Thank you, cabinet secretary. I find it amazing that, in this session, we have managed to cover recycling, marine planning, trees, farming, floodwater, gas prices, railway tickets, railways, fly-tipping, land reform, the skills basis for achieving climate targets, buses, carbon capture and green hydrogen. If that is not a wide portfolio of subject areas for a committee, I do not know what is.
Cabinet secretary, I thank you and your team for giving evidence today. The committee will discuss your evidence later in the meeting.
That concludes the public part of the meeting. We now move into private session.
12:00 Meeting continued in private until 12:37.Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 27 September 2022
Edward Mountain
Minister, I was struck that we heard evidence from the local authorities that about 70 per cent of their funds were ring fenced and you said that 7 per cent of their funds were ring fenced. That seems diametrically opposed on the way forward. On the principle that there will be some national targets and that achieving those targets will be difficult because there is not a mass of money to throw at them—money is tight in all sectors—do you foresee ring fencing becoming a key part of your armoury to ensure that national targets are achieved at local government level?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 27 September 2022
Edward Mountain
Yes, I will stop you there. I am not sure that you will get much on that question at the moment. Liam Kerr is next, and then the deputy convener, Fiona Hyslop.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 27 September 2022
Edward Mountain
Welcome back. We move on to the programme for government 2022-23, which was published on 6 September. It sets out the actions that the Government states that it will be taking in the coming year, including its legislative programme.
Cabinet secretary, thank you for staying with us for this evidence session. We look forward to discussing the programme with you and your priorities for the Parliament this year. I welcome your Scottish Government officials: Donald Henderson, deputy director of natural resources; Anne Martin, head of transport strategy and co-ordination; David Pratt, head of marine planning and development; and Philip Raines, the deputy director of domestic climate change, who has stayed with us.
We have just over an hour for this item. Cabinet secretary, I know that you are keen to press on with the questions, but I am happy to give you time for a short opening statement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 27 September 2022
Edward Mountain
I have time for one more question. Does anybody have a burning question? Monica, you put your hand up first, so the final question is yours.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 27 September 2022
Edward Mountain
In fairness, minister, I interpreted that as a yes. It is a clear yes as stated and as interpreted.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 27 September 2022
Edward Mountain
I am sorry, but we are short of time so I am very happy for Ian Storrie, via your office, to send the committee your breakdown of what you consider to be ring-fenced funds. I am not sure, however, that I have had a specific answer from you. Will ring fencing will be important for the Government to be able to achieve the national targets that are being set, minister?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 27 September 2022
Edward Mountain
I will push. Mark Ruskell will ask the next question and I may follow up on that. Do you want to ask your question on this subject and I will follow up on that, if I may?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 27 September 2022
Edward Mountain
Good morning. Welcome to the 25th meeting in 2022 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. Agenda item 1 is consideration of whether to take items 4, 5 and 6 in private. Item 4 is consideration of a letter to the Scottish Government on the committee’s conclusions on the draft biodiversity strategy. Item 5 is consideration of evidence on the local government inquiry heard today and at previous meetings. Item 6 is consideration of the evidence on the programme for government that we will hear today. Are members happy to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.