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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change People’s Panel

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Edward Mountain

One more.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change People’s Panel

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Edward Mountain

Monica, do you want to answer that? It is slightly within our remit, but it really falls within the heat in buildings bill. You are right, Scott, that it is absolutely critical, and I hope that the relevant people are listening. As you rightly say, heat pumps, insulation and double glazing are all expensive, and all of those things need to be costed out. It is right that you are flagging that up and good that it is flagged up. The matter is slightly outwith the committee’s remit, but I will pass it back to Monica. She may have a better answer than that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change People’s Panel

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Edward Mountain

I am sorry, Monica. This is where I get myself into trouble with committee members. Time is marching on, and it always goes more quickly when it is an interesting subject. I will take one more person on that question before moving on to Douglas Lumsden, if that is all right with you, Monica. I will come back to you at the end.

Does anyone else want to add to what Karen Shakespeare has just said?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change People’s Panel

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Edward Mountain

It certainly opened my eyes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change People’s Panel

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Edward Mountain

Thank you. We will go round the committee members. I will start. I am the convener of the committee and I represent the Highlands and Islands region.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change People’s Panel

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Edward Mountain

Good morning to those who are just joining us, and welcome back to those who joined us earlier, before we went into private session.

We have apologies from Mark Ruskell, who is unable to join us today because, unfortunately, he is not well.

Our next item of business is an evidence session with six representatives of the people’s panel on climate change. Back in September 2023, the committee agreed to establish a people’s panel to help us with our consideration of how the Scottish Government could better engage with the public on climate change.

A total of 23 individuals were selected to sit on the panel. The panel convened over two residential weekends and held two online sessions in February and March 2024, when it gathered evidence from a variety of witnesses. On 11 April, the panel reported on its findings and recommendations.

At our meeting today, we will discuss the report with a selection of representatives from the panel. Thank you all for joining us. We are delighted to have you here. The last time I saw you, you were about to embark on your work, and I was shooting off so that I could watch the rugby matches. A lot has happened since then.

On behalf of the committee, I thank you all for your dedication and hard work, which we can see from the report that you have presented and we have read with great interest.

I will ask each witness, starting with Karen Shakespeare, to introduce themselves and to tell us where they are from. I will then ask the committee members to do the same.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change People’s Panel

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Edward Mountain

Thanks, Scott, and thank you all for your contributions. I now have a difficult task. Unfortunately, committees are not panels of one, David; otherwise, I would be able to ask all the questions, and I would not upset my fellow committee members by not letting them ask any.

I will try to get as many questions in as possible. I know that you will all want to answer every question but, sadly, you cannot do that, because I just do not have the time to bring you all in. I want to bring in as many of you as possible, however. I would ask you to keep your answers short. I used to waggle my pen to attract people’s attention when I thought they had got to the stage when they should shut up, but the danger was that I might let go of it, and it might come in someone’s direction—I promise that it will not. However, if I am looking at you and making this movement, that means that I want to bring in somebody else. It is all about management of time.

I have the first question. You were asked to assess how effective the Scottish Government was in engaging the public on climate change and on our climate change targets. What were the panel’s overall conclusions on the effectiveness of the public engagement strategy?

If you want to start off on that, raise your hand. If you do not want to answer, look the other way.

You had your hand up first, Scott, so we will go to you first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change People’s Panel

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Edward Mountain

That is good—and it focuses us. Is the Government doing enough, Kevin?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change People’s Panel

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Edward Mountain

I will give that question some context. The committee looks at concessionary bus travel, which costs about £230 million, so making travel free on every single bus across Scotland might cost substantially more than that. David Harrold might say that he will power it all from the energy from Orkney. Does anyone want to comment on that point? It was recommendation 17, I think.

12:15  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change People’s Panel

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Edward Mountain

You are almost getting the pen launched at you.

We have one more question, which will come from Monica Lennon. Whoever puts their hand up first can answer it.