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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 31st meeting in 2024 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. The first agenda item for consideration is evidence on the Local Services Franchises (Traffic Commissioner Notices and Panels) (Scotland) Regulations 2024. The instrument is subject to the negative procedure, which means that it will become law unless it is annulled.

We first considered the instrument on 8 October, when we noted concerns that had been raised about bus franchising panels and we agreed to seek further evidence. Because of the limited time, we wrote to five organisations and individuals, including the Scottish Government, and I thank them all for writing back. Their responses are included in the papers.

Douglas Lumsden has lodged a motion to annul the instrument. Before we have the formal debate on the motion, we will have an evidence session with the minister and his officials that will give us an opportunity to ask questions or seek clarification on the basis of the evidence that we have received. For the record, given the interest in the item and in our provision of local bus services, I state that I had already asked the Scottish Government to give evidence before Douglas Lumsden lodged his motion.

I welcome Jim Fairlie, the Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity; Sharon Wood, bus policy manager for Transport Scotland; Kevin Gibson, a lawyer for the Scottish Government; and Bridget Bryden, bus regulatory policy team leader for Transport Scotland—that is a snappy title. Thank you very much for joining us. I will give the minister a few minutes to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Committee members have a lot of questions. I will bring in Mark Ruskell first, to be followed by Douglas Lumsden and Monica Lennon.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

I call Douglas Lumsden, to be followed by Monica Lennon.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

We will continue the discussion under the next agenda item, so I am sure that you will have a chance to return to your questions if you get to speak in that debate. That will be up to you.

I call Monica Lennon.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Before I come to our deputy convener, I would like to clarify a simple point. If the instrument is agreed to, and the next legislation is passed, when is the first year that we could expect to see buses moving into the new process that you suggest could happen?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

So we are talking about 2026 as a minimum—possibly 2027, if there is not a fair wind and not everything has been done. I just want to get that into my brain so that I understand it.

We come to questions from our deputy convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Before approaching the panel?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

No—that is an assumption that you cannot make; we must start from where we are at the moment.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

I say, with respect, to Bob Doris, Monica Lennon and Jackie Dunbar, that we have come to the end of this part of proceedings. Rather than anyone else making comments, this is the point at which I will put the question.

The question is, that motion S6M-15035, in the name of Douglas Lumsden, be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Edward Mountain

Given that the committee must produce a report on the instrument and that the deadline for producing that report is extremely tight, it will have to be a very short and factual report. Is the committee content to delegate to me the responsibility for clearing the clerk’s draft for publication later today? That is the timescale.

Members indicated agreement.