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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Edward Mountain

Mr Simpson, I understand your point, and I will turn to the minister. Of course the minister will get bits of paper passed to her—I would expect briefings from my clerks—because she cannot have everything right there. That is the point of having the officials around the table, so I am not going to accept that criticism of her.

Minister, I am happy for you to wind up now.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much. I am just looking around to see whether any other member wishes to contribute.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Edward Mountain

I call Maurice Golden to wind up and press or withdraw amendment 207.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much, minister, and thank you to your officials. The bill will now go to the chamber for stage 3 consideration on a date that is yet to be determined.

We will have a short pause to allow a change of witnesses.

10:01 Meeting suspended.  

10:16 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change and Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Edward Mountain

I am conscious of what you have said. I am also conscious of what the Presiding Officer said in the chamber last week about the need to continue with the work of the Parliament without politicking going on in the background. There is a fine balance there.

It appears that I, as convener, get the chance to ask the first question. We heard earlier this year that we were not going to meet our net zero targets and that there would need to be a climate change bill. We have heard various iterations of when that will be introduced and what it will consist of.

Will you enlighten us, as a committee, as to when it will be introduced and what will be in it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change and Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Edward Mountain

I made the observation to you that the statutory deadline means that the bill would have to be introduced no later than November to allow it to be agreed to and passed through the parliamentary system by the end of March. However, given that it is going to cause—to my mind—a huge amount of interest outwith the Parliament, I would suggest that trying to rush it through without giving the committee proper time to take evidence on it would be a huge mistake. We need to be given that time. I think that the committee would rather that it was sooner rather than later so that we can trawl for input from people across Scotland. I am not entirely convinced why you are not in a position to say when it will be introduced or give us an indication of whether it will be a two-page bill to remove targets and change it from a climate change plan to carbon targets. Will you give us that indication today? It would be helpful.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change and Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Edward Mountain

I think that we are going to see that cabinet secretary very shortly. Douglas, do you have any other questions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change and Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Edward Mountain

Hold on. Excuse me. Until things change, I will be running the committee and I want to keep order and keep things sensible.

I understand members’ frustration, but I suspect that the cabinet secretary is frustrated as well that she cannot give all the answers that she might be in a position to give. Let us not have a go at one other over it. We will be in a much clearer position after the meeting, when I have taken advice. All that I can do at the moment, on the committee’s behalf, is to push people to give us as honest, open and clear answers as they feel that they can give, without compromising their positions. Bear with me, Mr Lumsden. I will take advice after the meeting, because I find myself in a position that I do not understand.

Bob, have my comments answered your question? I hope that they have, but maybe you have another question that you want to ask.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change and Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Edward Mountain

I see that Douglas Lumsden wants to come in. Is it on a point of clarification with regard to the questions that we have just heard, or is it about something from earlier?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change and Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Edward Mountain

I call Douglas Lumsden.