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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you, cabinet secretary. You and I have discussed this before, and I want to get it on the official record. In March 2024, the Climate Change Committee said that it felt that the targets that had been set were unachievable, which resulted in a certain amount of changing of legislation last year and the Climate Change Committee laying its advice to you on 21 May. As you said, that resulted in you laying your carbon budgets before the committee on 19 June.

My concern relates to the period from now until the end of the parliamentary session. If you lay your climate change plan at the beginning of November, that will be followed by 120 days of consultation. It will probably take at least another 30 days to summarise all the responses. Unless your civil servants work through the night, every night, and every weekend, that process will take a fair bit of time. My maths tells me that that means that, as a Parliament, we will not get to discuss the climate change plan in any detail, following consideration of the public responses, until March, when we will be just about to go into recess for the election. That is exactly where we were five years ago, when the unachievable targets were set. Are you confident that nothing will get in the way of you getting the climate change plan produced and agreed by Parliament by the end of the session?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

As you said, the committee has shown a willingness to consider the regulations at pace and to get that done as quickly as possible so that there will be no delay in the delivery of the climate change plan. I reiterate that what concerns me is the public consultation. The public may have very strong views on the draft plan—I hope that they do; I hope that they respond in numbers to show that they buy into what is suggested—and it might need to be adapted before it comes before the Parliament.

I have grave concerns about the timescale, which I have now put on the record. I see that Mark Ruskell wants to come in on that issue.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I did not say this at the beginning, so I will say it now. There are a huge number of questions to get through and, in the previous evidence session, committee members were extremely good at making their questions succinct. I am not saying that your answers have not been succinct, cabinet secretary, but I encourage everyone to keep to short questions and short answers.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Sorry, cabinet secretary, but is that letter published, or is it a private letter?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I agree that there is no point in pointing out problems and not bringing solutions. It is always a question of whether the solutions are workable, and that will be for others to decide. Are the problems in the letter the only ones that you see? Is everything else tickety-boo and online, as far as reserved matters are concerned? Is there nothing else to worry about with regard to Scotland reaching net zero by 2045? Is that what you are saying?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

That is twice. We do not need to do it a third time.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. We will have a short question from the deputy convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell has some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I am going to be the bad guy now. We have six questions and we are going to get through them. The deputy convener has the next batch. I will cut you short, cabinet secretary, if I think that you are overexpanding on your answers.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Rest assured that I, along with many other people, will be looking for the exact costings.

That brings our evidence session to a halt. I will briefly suspend the meeting until 12:25 before we go into the final item, which is a vote on the motion.

12:17 Meeting suspended.  

12:25 On resuming—