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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Committee members will definitely raise some of the issues that you refer to. I will bring in Miles Briggs at this point.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning, and welcome to the 29th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. We have received apologies from Ross Greer and George Adam.

The first item of business is taking evidence from two panels on the Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill.

I welcome our first panel: Fiona Whitelock, policy manager for the Promise, Convention of Scottish Local Authorities; Dave Berry, director of the Dundee health and social care partnership; Jim Savege, chief executive of Aberdeenshire Council, representing the Society of Local Authority Chief Executives and Senior Managers Scotland; and Professor Soumen Sengupta, chief officer and director of health and social care at South Lanarkshire Council.

We will go straight to questions. I will kick off, perhaps unsurprisingly, with a question about the report from the Accounts Commission and the Auditor General that was released this morning, and which deals with the progress—or lack of it—on the Promise to date. I will come directly to you, Mr Savege. What is your response to the report’s criticism of local authorities, and is it correct? It is quite a damning report. Have local authorities, Government and others failed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I call Miles Briggs.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Berry, is there anything in the Audit Scotland report that is at odds with what Dundee health and social care partnership is seeing on the ground, or does it concur with a lot of your experience?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Did you hear the Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise on the radio this morning, when she was asked about that point?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Are there opportunities to prevent those things? Are you giving a warning regarding the Government’s direction and saying, “We told you that this would be a backwards step,” or can we as a committee, or can the Government, still change things to make this a bill that is actually wholly positive and that will take us only forward?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

What was particularly telling about your evidence was that you said that you offered to help, particularly with the financial memorandum, which Mr Mason’s questions have raised concerns about. When that offer was made, the Government did not accept it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

But the financial memorandum was published and lodged with the bill, and that is what we have to deal with. It is quite telling that COSLA offered help and support, but it was not accepted. I just want to confirm that I am not putting words in your mouth. Is that what you are saying about the financial memorandum?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

The bill was introduced long before the report came out, but we are aware of the mid-term review by the Promise oversight board and know that concerns have been raised.

Mr Trainer, will the proposals that are before the committee and Parliament to scrutinise and potentially agree on deliver on what people are calling for, whether in the Audit Scotland report or in the responses to our call for evidence?

You do not need to operate your microphone; we have specialists in the room to operate it for you remotely.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I call Jackie Dunbar.