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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Graham Simpson

It sounds like we might have to follow up with the SFC about that, as well. Anyway, the committee will discuss that later.

Your report lists some colleges as examples. I am looking at information on New College Lanarkshire, on page 13, because it is in the region that I represent. It has

“a deficit ... of -£3.6 million”,

which was up

“from -£1.8 million the previous year.”

Your report goes on to note that

“Sixty staff left the college under voluntary severance ... at a cost of £1.2 ... million but”

that

“did not deliver the recurring savings budgeted.”

I hope that I am not making too big a leap here, but is there a risk—not just at New College Lanarkshire, but at other colleges—of compulsory redundancies coming down the line if colleges find that they have not managed to make savings using the voluntary route?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Graham Simpson

Are you saying that you do not know which six colleges are on the list?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Graham Simpson

I am sorry, but I am not clear about your answer. Do you know which six colleges are on that list?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Graham Simpson

I understand, but you do not know which those six colleges are.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Graham Simpson

When we asked about this last year, we were not told then, either. So, you do not know. Have you asked for the list?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Graham Simpson

Okay. You are right. I think that it needs to be explored further.

I will ask about redundancies. You mentioned that, in the year that you looked at, 496 staff left through voluntary severance schemes. Is there a breakdown of the roles of those staff—whether they are in teaching, support or other roles?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Graham Simpson

Okey doke.

I will ask you about arm’s-length foundations, because I always ask you about that. Over the years, we have seen the money that is held in those funds, as I suppose you would call them, go down quite significantly. The money has fallen from £99 million, when the funds were set up in 2014, to £12 million in 2023 and, according to you, that is forecast to drop to £9 million this year, which is 9 per cent of the original balance. Where did the money originally come from for the ALFs, and do you have a record of what colleges have applied to spend the money on?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Graham Simpson

I will ask you a question that I have asked you before. There was some confusion around what the money is and is not allowed to be spent on. My recollection is that you were going away to get the answer to that, so I wonder whether you could put on the public record what the answer is.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Graham Simpson

What are they allowed to spend it on?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Do you know how many?