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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Graham Simpson

Every committee member who has spoken today is in favour of franchising—and it is in the 2019 act. The message to SPT from the Parliament would be that the Parliament is in favour of franchising. The only thing that has been debated today is an element of that, which is about the existence of a panel.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Graham Simpson

I will be brief. We have had a useful discussion. I have to agree with those who have commented on Brian Whittle’s amendment 46; I, too, am a bit confused by it, and perhaps Mr Lumsden might be minded not to press it. Mr Whittle can come back with something at stage 3.

I find it disappointing that, in the group of amendments, the cabinet secretary appears to be supporting only the amendment—which, granted, is in my name—that she had a hand in. It is disappointing that she is supporting nothing else, and I think that she could have worked with other members; perhaps she has.

Amendment 1, in my name, is similar to Mark Ruskell’s amendment 6. However, I have already invited members to reject amendment 6, so I ask members to accept amendment 1.

I will leave it there, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Graham Simpson

This is just to assist me as I deliberate over my amendment 23. I agree that Maurice Golden’s amendment 48 is very good, so does the cabinet secretary think that my amendment 23 introduces an element of duplication?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Graham Simpson

I was minded not to move amendment 23, but, having heard the comments so far, I think that I will when we get to it. I was not going to press it because I thought that there was some overlap with Mr Golden’s amendment 48, which would require ministers to take additional measures if they are off track in meeting a carbon budget, similar to Douglas Lumsden’s amendments 38, 39 and 40. However, having heard Mr Ruskell speak, I am minded to move my amendment 23, which is about monitoring and evaluation. If there is an issue with it, that could be dealt with at stage 3.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Graham Simpson

That is a useful intervention. I do not like woolly wording, as Mr Ruskell knows. I definitely do not like loose wording in legislation, and there is a risk that the suggested wording could be seen as being that. However, in the spirit of compromise with which I have approached the process thus far, I have accepted that, at that stage, it will not be possible for the Government to set out in definitive terms the proposals and policies that will be in the next climate change plan, given that they need to be finalised once the carbon budgets are set.

I note that, during the stage 1 debate, Ms Martin made the point that it would not be advisable to publish, in her words, a “draft of a draft” of the climate change plan. Amendment 53 represents a balance between ensuring the availability of the information that the Parliament needs to conduct scrutiny and the Scottish Government’s need to finalise the policies to meet carbon budgets once they have been set.

If the committee is minded to support amendment 53, I invite it to take the view that Mark Ruskell’s amendments 6 and 7 are not required.

Finally, amendment 9 seeks to align carbon budgets with those of the rest of the UK for the reasons that I have set out. I will wait to hear from Ms Lennon. Mr Whittle is not with us, but I understand that Mr Lumsden is speaking for him today, so I will also wait to hear his contributions.

I move amendment 1.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Graham Simpson

But that has not happened yet in any college—or has it?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Graham Simpson

Good morning. I want to stick to the list of six colleges that the Scottish Funding Council is working with. Are those colleges included in the 14 colleges that you have audits for?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Graham Simpson

Okay. So, all that you know is that there are six colleges on that list.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Graham Simpson

Have you asked for the list or not?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Graham Simpson

We could, indeed. I do not like to play a guessing game. We should know which colleges are in the most perilous state.