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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

My question to Mr Nicol was: what are those two cities looking to do?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

Sometimes? All the time. [Laughter.]

Governments have targets, and they are there to be shot down, are they not?

Speaking of public transport, Transport Scotland came up with a very interesting figure: it said that public transport capacity would need to increase by 222 per cent in order to achieve the 2030 target. You may say that you are making progress, but you are nowhere near 222 per cent. There needs to be quite a radical shift to public transport, does there not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

I agree that the target is unachievable, so we should get rid of it. Do you think that there should be a target at all—that you should put a figure on it—or should you simply say, “It is our ambition to encourage people to use their cars less”? Is it not enough to say that and then to introduce measures that might achieve it, such as improving public transport?

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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

Yes. Does Gail Macgregor want to come in?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

I accept that, but it is wrong, so we should not.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

What is it that they want?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

That is useful. Some of that could come within the bracket of hammering the motorist, if I could put it that way. As Gail Macgregor pointed out earlier, the introduction of many of those measures in any city is potentially controversial. That is what makes it difficult to introduce them.

To go back to what you said earlier, cabinet secretary, and to what you said in the chamber in March, have you now dropped the 20 per cent target?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

Does Transport Scotland have any more information on that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

Yes—and you know that I always try to be helpful.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

Good morning, everyone. I will not go around all the witnesses, because there are quite a few of you. I will start with you, cabinet secretary. I gave you a double thumbs up earlier when you said that you accepted that we should use miles rather than kilometres. Can you just confirm that?