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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 6 September 2023

Maurice Golden

I agree that we should close the petition, at least partly on the basis that we do not know for sure the scope and form of what we would be stopping. There is quite a changing landscape in respect of extended producer responsibility and a delay to the rest of the UK scheme to 2026, which may or may not have implications for us in Scotland. There is also the potential for a different form of deposit return scheme via the Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill, which we wait to see amendments for. Therefore, it is not clear to me exactly what we would be stopping. The petitioner might look kindly on a new form of deposit return scheme, if it was a digital one and there was something in it about refillables. However, I think that, until we and the petitioner know what we would be stopping, we have no option but to close the petition.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

Of course. That is why I asked for the total amounts. Others might think that the Scottish Government has a duty of care.

This will be an easy question. It is my final question, convener. How much is budgeted for the deposit return scheme via Zero Waste Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

Do you know?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

Thanks, convener.

I am interested in governance of the scheme. As a result of freedom of information responses, we know that, on 3 March 2021, CSL sent an application to the Scottish Government. The then cabinet secretary, Roseanna Cunningham, replied on 21 March 2021 with a series of concerns, one of which was that CSL was still establishing a company, no chair or board had been appointed and there had been no due diligence on producer registration. There is a host of issues there.

At that point, the Scottish Government required an agreement by 1 October 2021 with regard to CSL continuing with the scheme, and there was a go-live date of 1 July 2022. Perhaps the committee might look at whether that date was realistic but, clearly, if it was a fully industry-led scheme there would have been no application process to the Scottish Government and no engagement in the detail that is described. Between that letter and 24 March, as part of that application process, CSL said:

“CSL will not buy new vehicles or build new sheds.”

Clearly, we have seen that that has not been the case. Did the minister sign off on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

I just want to know whether the minister signed off on that. In the application, it says that

“CSL will not buy new vehicles or build new sheds”,

but we have seen new sheds and new vehicles.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

I am not asking the Government to interfere, but to make an assessment. Clearly, the deposit return scheme has now been delayed four times: that is no wonder, if the Scottish Government is not aware of how it can deliver the scheme.

I have a relatively easy question. To the nearest £10 million, what is the total business liability resulting from the delay to the scheme?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

How much was required after the third delay for CSL to make it to March? Are you aware of that figure?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

I am asking whether you are aware, because I have a figure and I would like to cross-check it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Maurice Golden

So you do not know.