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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Maurice Golden
We have had a really useful discussion. It must be noted that the designated body could be an existing body, as suggested in amendment 141, and I think that there is more to consider in the proposals with regard to consistency in application of funding, policy direction and sector plans. Ultimately, I think that an advisory body would be useful, but, given the comments, I will seek to withdraw amendment 141.
Amendment 141, by agreement, withdrawn.
Amendments 187 and 188 not moved.
Section 2 agreed to.
Section 3—Publication and laying of strategy
Amendment 2 not moved.
Amendment 3 moved—[Graham Simpson].
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Maurice Golden
Yes, that might be a necessity, and it would be similar to how, say, independent commissioners operate. A good example would be the Scottish Veterans Commissioner; that body is funded, but it is also independent. There is a difference between an organisation such as Zero Waste Scotland, all of whose functions are funded by the Scottish Government, and a specific body or entity that is designed to scrutinise the Government. Does my formulation make sense?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Maurice Golden
I will, but I want to finish this point about consistency.
Another major change has been the diversion of millions of pounds from supporting local authorities to supporting businesses. I am not commenting on whether that is correct or incorrect, but a lot of the amendments that we are considering are about supporting local authority funding. That move was, at least in part, a result of a change in emphasis that was not scrutinised by the Parliament. The fact is that people might not even know that fairly major changes in policy application were happening, and an advisory body would scrutinise such changes and make them transparent. If a policy intention changes, as is legitimate for the Government to do, we and the people of Scotland deserve to know about it.
I will give way to Mark Ruskell and then Graham Simpson.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Maurice Golden
Yes.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Maurice Golden
No. I was just highlighting an example of something that the Scottish Government funds and which I think most members would agree is independent. The two things can sit alongside each other.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Maurice Golden
Will the minister take an intervention?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Maurice Golden
In lodging my amendments, I was intending not to create an advisory body, but to achieve consistent scrutiny and application of Government policy. As I know from first-hand experience from the stopping of the textiles programme, people become worried about their jobs. That, in itself, is a waste of money. Has the minister any thoughts on how we could achieve consistency in application, which was the intention behind my amendments?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Maurice Golden
No, I have not, but it would be worth while to have a joint UK-wide funding model, if possible. However, the body that takes on the role might be required to be funded by the Scottish Government, as there will be no one else to fund it. There might be other sources of funding, but that will depend on whether the amendments progress.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Maurice Golden
The short answer is yes. That is why amendment 151 makes it clear that it could be a public body—that is the only thing that I would say. Zero Waste Scotland is on the journey towards that end, but it is not currently a public body. There could be an opportunity to reconfigure it to fulfil that task; for example, it is not uncommon in lawyers’ offices to have Chinese walls to ensure that, even within the same office, there is an ability to scrutinise actions. That might be another opportunity for Zero Waste Scotland.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 7 May 2024
Maurice Golden
For the record, are you confident that there have been no examples across Scotland of, for example, bits of kit from the oil and gas sector being landed in Aberdeen and defined by SEPA as waste, but for which it could be argued, from a circular economy perspective, that they are products—indeed, valuable products—that could be resold? Because of interpretation by SEPA or a different interpretation from another environment agency, such things could be, and often are, not defined as waste. Is it on the record that that just never occurs in Scotland?