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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Good morning. My questions are predicated on the written submissions that we have received, so they will probably be quite specific to individuals.

My first question relates to notification requirements and monitoring. I was struck by what Scottish Women’s Aid said in setting out its view on those proposals. Its submission states:

“after consultation with colleagues across the system, we are not confident that this element of the proposal would actually make engagement with the justice system safer, and we see significant unintended negative consequences.”

That is pretty stark. On the specific question about safety, the Scottish Women’s Convention submission states:

“protective orders which are imposed without requiring victim-survivors to initiate legal action can reduce safety.”

Again, that is a pretty stark thing to hear. I ask Marsha Scott and Agnes Tolmie to expand on the specific points that their organisations have made.

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Agnes Tolmie, will you comment on your point about a reduction in safety?

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I have questions on domestic abuse education in schools. We all understand that it is broadly a good idea to put that in place. However, again, Scottish Women’s Aid had some pretty stark comments on the specific propositions in the bill. The written response says:

“The proposal as stands raises some alarms for us—the implications for children and parents who choose to withdraw their child, for children in the class who disclose abuse in a setting not properly trained to respond safely for the child are two scenarios we worry about.”

That speaks to the point that, sadly, given the prevalence of abuse, there will be kids in the classroom who have witnessed and experienced it, so there is clearly an inherent danger of retraumatisation. How do we deal with that in the school environment?

Maybe Marsha Scott can go first, given that I cited her submission, and then others can comment.

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

The general question to you all is on the issue of the potential traumatisation or retraumatisation of children. How would that be dealt with?

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

I have a couple more questions, but I am conscious of the time. Can I come back in later if there is time?

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service (Service Delivery Review)

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

For the record, notwithstanding my genuine concerns about the situation in Cumbernauld, we should say that it is not proposed that the fire station there will close or be moved.

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

Is that drawn from specific conversations that your organisation has had with victims?

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

That is a useful perspective. Do others have anything to say on that?

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

That sounds more like direct support for those who are experiencing it as opposed to general education.

Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Jamie Hepburn

If you can come back to us on that—