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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 August 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Jackson Carlaw

Two suggestions have been made: first, that we close the petition and, secondly, that we draw the petition to the attention of the respective cross-party groups. I am not totally sure that it is within our competence to do so with groups that have not yet been officially recognised by the Parliament, but I think that we could do that. Indeed, I think that it would be useful for the elected members of both groups to initiate a discussion.

Do members agree to close the petition on that basis?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Jackson Carlaw

I want to take a moment to acknowledge the work of Mark McDonald and other former colleagues who did a lot in the previous session to ensure that these issues were at the forefront of concern and whose work in the area has helped inform, and has probably led to, the actions that the Government is now taking.

I invite colleagues to lead the questions, starting with David Torrance.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Jackson Carlaw

I observe only that fools rush in where angels fear to trend, minister, so I am grateful for your forbearance in holding back.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Jackson Carlaw

Did you want to add anything, minister?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Jackson Carlaw

I have just one follow-up question. One of the scandals that arose with transvaginal mesh related to the quality of the mesh itself. It turned out that the regime that was in place to ensure the highest standard of mesh material was really not robust and, to our shock and dismay, some of the mesh that had been fitted in some women was no different from the mesh that is found wrapped around packages that come through the post. Is a strong regime in place for the mesh procedures that we are talking about to ensure the quality of the product that is fitted in any operation?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Jackson Carlaw

I can say to Mr Bishop that, if we were relying on the MHRA at the time, it was woefully inadequate in its explanation of its procedures and in respect of the subsequent regulation to ensure that only proper materials were used. It is clear that some products bypassed that. Can patients now proceed with greater confidence?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. Are you content, Paul?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Jackson Carlaw

I apologise to David Torrance for not having properly understood the response to his earlier question.

As members have no further questions, I thank the minister, Hugh McAloon and Jacqueline Campbell for their incredibly helpful evidence and participation this morning. I think that I would like to reflect on the evidence that we have heard, have a chance to read the Official Report and then consider how we might take the issues forward at a subsequent meeting.

That brings us almost to the end of the meeting. For the benefit of everyone watching and committee colleagues, I want to place on record the committee’s thanks to our clerk Gemma Cheek, who is leaving us. Our loss is the Education, Children and Young People Committee’s gain. I am very sorry that she is leaving; she has been with the committee for the past two years and has provided us with a high quality of understanding and support. We very much wish her all the best in her new appointment.

Meeting closed at 12:58.  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Jackson Carlaw

That is fine. I am quite happy for us to take that approach, if members are content.

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Jackson Carlaw

I am aware that I have not invited the mesh team leader, Mr Bishop, to comment. Is there anything that you wish to comment on before I bring in my committee colleagues, Mr Bishop?