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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 October 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

The Government has funded the service for more than 15 years, and the Energy Saving Trust administers the Home Energy Scotland advice service on our behalf. Demand for the service has been high, although it has decreased from the 138,000 households that the service supported in 2022-23. As a Government, we are committed to ensuring that the funding is applied to ensure that the advice service exists in the future, and the Scottish Government regularly reviews the grant to ensure that that happens.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

I reiterate that both the difficulty of working during Covid and the cost of materials in its wake were deterrents to many contractors.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

I should be clear that, although we are awaiting important information from the UK Government, which we are having good conversations with, I am not suggesting that the timing of our decisions about the bill is based on any of that information.

UK Government decisions are nonetheless relevant. As you are aware, there is an on-going conversation about electricity pricing, the relative price of electricity and gas, the review of electricity market arrangements and the reform of many parts of the network. The decisions that the UK Government takes will clearly interact with our own legislation.

I will bring in others to talk about some of the conversations that we are having.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

My predecessor, Patrick Harvie, made it clear that that particular target was not achievable. I agree with Mr Harvie on that. It is as well that the Government comes to the Parliament and presents targets that are achievable. It is not honest to do anything else.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Alasdair Allan

I will bring you in, Gareth. The figures that I have for annual heat pump installations are as follows: 2,448 in 2019; 2,993 in 2020; 4,667 in 2021; 5,146 in 2022; and 6,388 in 2023. The importance of heat pumps in our effort to decarbonise and improve Scotland’s housing stock is increasingly significant as the years go by.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Alasdair Allan

As you mentioned, the cleaner air for Scotland 2 strategy review is probably the place where those issues should be mentioned. I am perhaps overemphasising the point about the numbers, but we can only go by the evidence that we have on new builds.

The 83 new-build houses that have wood-burning stoves as their main fuel are, as I mentioned, outside four cities and scattered across the rest of the country. I think that I am right in saying that there are four houses scattered across the rest of the country that use wood-burning stoves as a secondary fuel.

I do not say any of that to be complacent. The Government would certainly want to act if there was evidence that the problem that you describe was happening.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Alasdair Allan

I will bring in officials on that point. We always seek to ensure that any measure that we take is effective. From our point of view, “effective” would mean that our amendment had taken account of the concerns that were brought to us, which were that there are rural parts of Scotland where—because of the prevailing climate, off-grid gas and limited opportunities to install various types of heating—wood-burning or peat-burning stoves represent a realistic option for people. Even in those areas of rural Scotland, most new homes are not reliant on such forms of heating. Officials may want to come in on how we would measure that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Alasdair Allan

Yes, in urban areas.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Alasdair Allan

I will keep my remarks as brief as I can, in the light of the reasons for the meeting and the committee’s existing familiarity with the Scottish statutory instrument and its amendments.

It is important to say that our review and its conclusions responded to concerns that were raised by members of the committee and beyond. Our purpose was to ensure resilience by enabling people whose circumstances mean that wood-burning stoves and wider bioenergy systems should remain available and eligible choices of heating system. We listened to stakeholders in workshops and discussions that were held with those who were considered likely to be most affected. We also listened to the views that were expressed in the Parliament, including during the members’ business debate in May, in which you spoke, convener.

I do not intend to minimise the questions and concerns about air quality, which are the focus of today’s meeting, when I observe that none of the members who spoke in the debate in May raised any such issues. I say that simply to underline that the focus of those who wish to see the change that we have proposed has been to ensure resilience where it is needed. I believe that the SSI delivers that.

I take fully on board the concerns that have been raised by stakeholders over recent days, which are summarised in the committee’s paper. However, those concerns—which are as applicable to use of such heating systems in existing homes as they are to their use in new builds—need to be addressed through the most appropriate channel and process. It is therefore worth stressing again that the measure that the Government has laid before the Parliament—the amendment regulations—will, contrary to much of the speculation in the media, have no impact on existing houses with a stove, as was the case with the preceding measure that the SSI amends.

Undertaking further analysis and consultation to explore possible solutions and avoid unintended consequences would risk there being a potentially lengthy delay to the SSI, and it would risk causing tremendous confusion among those who have pleaded for such a change. Instead, I propose that we use the forthcoming review of the “Cleaner Air for Scotland 2—Towards a Better Place for Everyone” strategy as an opportunity to identify areas in which further progress might be needed.

In that context, the Government takes seriously the questions that have been raised about burning wood in urban areas by some of the people who have been in touch with the committee. However, I emphasise that there is no evidence that that is a significant feature in urban houses—at least, not in new builds in urban areas, and new builds are the subject of the measure that we are discussing. Scotland enjoys good air quality compared with that in much of Europe, but we are not complacent, and the review of our cleaner air strategy will focus on continuing to target action to protect human health.

Therefore, I believe that the review will present the most appropriate and effective means of ensuring that the health-related concerns that have been raised with the committee are addressed. I will be discussing the next steps in this area with the Acting Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Energy.

I hope that my remarks have provided some context for members and have been helpful. I am happy to respond to questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Alasdair Allan

The Government continues to look at the 1,600 responses or so that have come in on the consultation that we did on heat in buildings. As I have said, the Government is more than keen to keep in touch not only with rural communities, but with other stakeholders from whom the committee has taken evidence on the SSI.

Do you want to say anything about that, Neal?