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Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
George Adam
I would like to go down a similar route to the one that I took earlier and ask about the broad definition of restraint in the bill. As you all know, this is primary legislation. If it becomes law, teachers and everyone else will have to abide by it.
The bill defines restraint as
“anything done by a member of the staff of an education provider with the intention of restricting the physical movement of a child or young person”.
That captures a lot of things. A member of staff might be trying to help a child or young person as in the example that we heard earlier of a child who is about to run on to a road. Using a hoist or other equipment for a child who has complex healthcare needs could also fall under the definition of restraint, as could the basic standard physical care of a child who has complex needs.
Clearly, work needs to be done on the definition, because it cannot be so broad as that provided for in the bill when you are dealing with such issues.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
George Adam
I totally agree with that. The problem is that that definition is in the bill. We are having the opposite argument to the argument that we often have in here about stuff being put into guidance. Surely you have to admit that work must be done on the definition.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
George Adam
That brings me to some of Kate Sanger’s evidence. Suzi Martin already knows about this because I have cried on her shoulder about it with regard to my two autistic grandchildren. You brought up how you deal with it on a one-to-one basis with the teachers. It is about basic humanity. I have seen my daughter in these situations, where the two children are absolutely screaming the place down and she just talks to them quietly and deals with it. Surely, in reality teachers also do that because, as you say, it is the human thing to do.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
George Adam
Does anyone else have anything to add?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
George Adam
I know that everybody else wants to say something, but I have an addendum to what I have asked. Let us look at it from the point of view of a lawyer. What if, after the bill becomes law, there is an incident and a parent ends up saying, “That was over the top. I’m going to go to a lawyer”? If the definition is that broad, all kinds of things could happen when the law is tested in court. It is quite concerning. I am sorry; I am just gibbering now. Nicola Killean, did you want to add something?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
George Adam
It was not in connection with the convener, right enough.
I am at a different stage of the parenthood malarkey from the convener, because I am a grandparent now, but my experience was the same as the convener’s: the kids get a sniffle and the school is on the phone to you. I find it difficult to think that restraint and seclusion are happening and going unnoticed. I am shocked, because my daughter complains about how often the school is on the phone and sending kids home. Suzi, is this connected with the lack of data that you mentioned? You said that it is an invisible problem. How would you get the data that you talked about, to deal with the issue?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
George Adam
The definition is quite broad, however. Surely it needs to be tightened.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
George Adam
What you have all said makes more sense to me than what the bill says, which is that restriction is
“anything done by a member of the staff of an education provider with the intention of restricting the physical movement of a child or young person”.
That is all it says, but you are saying that restriction is stopping someone from doing something that they want to do. That might be a better explanation.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 18 September 2025
George Adam
Okay. You and previous witnesses have all said that cross-portfolio working would be a good idea. I totally buy into that, but the fact is that the Government is data driven. I asked a question about this area last week. If we were to be in a situation in which you believe that your organisations or what you do delivers in those key areas, what would be the quickest and most measurable outcomes that you could deliver—if we said that, from tomorrow, there was a possibility of getting people to work across portfolio?
Does anyone want to answer? Did that make any sense at all?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 18 September 2025
George Adam
My next question is on the visitor levy. Everyone has mentioned getting access to it—we have already spent any potential money from that about three times over today. If, hypothetically, a proportion of visitor levy could be used, how would your organisations invest it, what would you do with it, and what outcomes would fit with what the Scottish Government is looking for?