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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Michael Matheson

Simon Parsons?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Michael Matheson

Does anyone else in any other sector have any experience of changes coming about as a result of its introduction?

Nobody? Okay.

My final point is on the issue of who should be liable. We heard evidence in the earlier session that liability should rest largely and solely—it would be fair to say that I am paraphrasing—with the decision makers and the directors in the organisation, and that the workers should be protected from the provisions in the bill. Given that your members are directors, Catherine, what is your take on that suggested change to the bill?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Michael Matheson

I just want to make sure that I understand this properly. If someone in your organisation carries out an act that results in what, under the bill, is defined as ecocide, who should be liable and face prosecution for committing the offence: the person who initiated it or the directors?

11:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Matheson

It seems that significant capital investment will be needed over a number of years to achieve those infrastructure changes.

I am also interested in people’s views about how we can decarbonise the process of climate adaptation as part of infrastructure investment. Is there a risk that we might undermine the progress that we are seeking to make through investing in infrastructure to adapt to climate change and address some of the climate challenges that we are facing, and that we will actually end up increasing our carbon output? What must we do to not only adapt but ensure that the adaptation process reduces our carbon output?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Matheson

Given that industry is our third-biggest emitter of carbon, what is the Scottish Government doing, policy-wise, to incentivise industry to decarbonise its processes and how it uses energy in different forms? I think that five different areas were suggested by the CCC. What are we doing to incentivise industry to ensure that it operates in a more sustainable fashion and that it decarbonises the energy that it uses?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Matheson

When I talk about things such as “flimsy excuses”, I refer to, for example, your suggestion that electricity is in some way pinned to the international gas price in the UK, when that is a fact; it is what drives our electricity costs. Your party was in government at Westminster for more than a decade and it could have taken action on that if it had chosen to do so. The reality is that it chose not to. Equally, during that time, the Conservatives supported the need to ensure that we achieved net zero by 2050.

In the UK and Scotland, it is not optional; it is a legislative requirement. We are legally obliged to achieve net zero by 2045 and 2050. As parliamentarians, if we choose to ignore that based on flimsy excuses, we are not doing our job properly. That is why I will vote for the motion, even though I accept that parts of the process are not as effective as they could be. I accept the responsibility that we have to tackle the nature and climate emergencies that we face, not only for this generation but for future generations.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Matheson

Perhaps I have been clumsy in the way in which I have phrased it. I am thinking about the fact that we have to decarbonise but, if we have to build a significant amount of new energy infrastructure, particularly on the grid side of things, what is the carbon output of the process of electrifying more of our society, and how do we reduce the carbon output from the electrification process? In a rush to decarbonise our society, we might end up producing more carbon as a result of that process in itself.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Matheson

Does anyone else have a view on what the hierarchy of priorities should be when we think about the areas of infrastructure that need to be adapted?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Matheson

On the decarbonisation of industry and the fuel supply, the CCC has suggested that about two thirds of industry will be decarbonised through electrification and that about a fifth of decarbonisation will come from hydrogen and the use of CCS. Is that an accurate reflection of how industry and the fuel supply sector will be decarbonised, and has the CCC got the balance right in its advice?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Michael Matheson

I will leave it there as well.