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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Michael Matheson

Mark Morrison, you have done some work for Scottish Enterprise in this area.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Michael Matheson

I want to go back to the point about the way in which the bill is currently drafted. If the bill sets a threshold for what the sector must achieve, that could incentivise the production of SAF close to the major airports, which would make it cheaper for the airlines to purchase SAF. Therefore, the development of SAF could be concentrated in areas around Manchester and London, to service Heathrow, Gatwick and Manchester airports. Is there a danger that that could act as a disincentive to invest in some of the projects that are highlighted in project willow, which would involve a significant level of capital expenditure? If the Government takes an approach that does not encourage greater use of SAF across all our airports in the UK, is that a risk?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Michael Matheson

That is helpful; thank you.

Is there a danger that the bill as drafted could act as a disincentive to capital investment in SAF production at Grangemouth? One investment might be £900 million, with the other project having up to £2.1 billion of capital expenditure, both at today’s prices.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Michael Matheson

No—that was helpful. I do not know whether anyone else wants to comment on the importance of the sector.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Michael Matheson

I come back to Shivali Fifield. I want to understand fully your explanation regarding the issue of liability.

If an employee, under your definition of “worker”—I am not too sure how you would create that definition—were to act in such a way and commit an act that constitutes ecocide under the bill, and they are found to have done so and the case is proven, who, on the basis of how you are trying to amend the bill, should go to prison for 20 years?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Michael Matheson

I am hearing from some of you a feeling that the bill is not necessary, while some are seeking further guidance or explanation about some of the bill’s provisions. It is worth reflecting on the fact that this is not a regulation-making bill; it is a bill that would create a criminal offence. The guidance and explanatory notes associated with the bill will take you only so far, because the real definition will be set by the courts and some terms will be defined by the courts if the bill is passed.

Is it your contention that the existing regulatory framework for dealing with environmental offences is sufficient? If it is not sufficient, where are the gaps that should be addressed so that the bill would be unnecessary?

I put that question to you first, Jonnie.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Michael Matheson

Catherine McWilliam?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Michael Matheson

Jonnie Hall, do you have a view?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Michael Matheson

Okay.

The bill also makes provision around vicarious liability. I will come to you first on this, Jonnie. We heard evidence from panel 1, earlier this morning, that suggested that the vicarious liability provided for in a piece of wildlife legislation, and the changes that it led to, resulted in a culture change in the sector. Is that your experience?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Michael Matheson

Do the witnesses have any other comments on that? No. That is me, convener.