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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Shona Robison
We will come back to you on that specific point.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Shona Robison
All £97 million has been received. What we will spend is dependent on what is required. Some of our spend is on the immediate safety measures that have had to be put in place—for example, waking watches—but the big spend will be on remediation after SBAs have been completed.
Inevitably, there will be a lag in the increase in spend, but every penny of the consequentials that we have received will absolutely be spent, and we will have to add to that.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Shona Robison
We will come back with that.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Shona Robison
It is May 2025.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Shona Robison
The business and regulatory impact assessment will look at the impact on the sector. That will probably be more of an issue for developers that have sole responsibility for the remediation of a building, because that will be the bigger cost, whereas the levy will be a contribution to a bigger pot. We have talked about the £10 million threshold for developers that sign up for the remediation of their buildings, because we understand the position of SMEs that might not have the wherewithal to do that, as it would not be viable. That is why we landed on the £10 million figure.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Shona Robison
There were arguments for this to be done on a UK basis, because some of the developers are UK developers and we felt that that would have made more sense, but we are past that point. Inevitably, the levy—whether in England, Wales or here—was never going to be able to cover all the costs of remediation; the public purse was always going to have to make a significant contribution.
Obviously, the levers that we have are the ones that we have. The levy will make a contribution but, without a doubt, we will need a line of sight of capital provision for remediation over the next few years to ensure that it is adequate and at a level and of a trajectory to meet the required SBA outcomes and remediation work. There is a significant requirement on the public purse but, at the end of the day, all Governments have to step in when it comes to building safety and public safety.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Shona Robison
I want people to have their buildings remediated and to be able to move on with their lives as soon as possible. However, getting it right is also important, as is Stephen Lea-Ross’s point about freeholders. If there is a single freeholder, as is the case in England, it is much easier to get agreement. However, in Scotland, there might be 100 home owners in a building and they must all be in agreement. That requires a different process, and the legislation will really help to push forward with SBAs when there is no agreement.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Shona Robison
Yes, of course—
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Shona Robison
Those are similar issues to those that have been raised by the sector in England. Just last week, I had a meeting with a number of people who are involved in the sector and I would say, as I said then, that we are talking about orphan buildings for which there are developers who have responsibility. We would expect them to get on and remediate and meet the cost of that.
There is then the question of who pays for the remediation of buildings where no developer can be identified. It is not fair for that cost to fall on taxpayers and the public purse. It will, of course, require an element of funding from the public purse, and we have set out that we will meet our obligations there. However, a contribution from the sector is important, given that those buildings will require remediation.
We have set out an indication of what revenue we think that the order will raise in line with what the UK Government has anticipated that it will raise, and whatever it raises will be only a contribution to the overall costs of orphan buildings. It will not meet the entire cost; it is a contribution. It is about balance. It is not unfair to ask the sector to make a contribution, as the public purse will make a contribution to the remediation of buildings where there is no developer that can take responsibility for them.
That is my top-line response. I can understand the issues raised, but our approach is about putting in place a proportionate response.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2024
Shona Robison
It will be in year 4.