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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Shona Robison

Broadly—yes. The devil will be in the detail, but Shirley-Anne Somerville has been in communication with the Department for Work and Pensions and directly with Liz Kendall, and I understand that the mood music has been positive.

There are a lot of technicalities to work through, and it is not just about the data. One of the things that had to be negotiated and addressed with regard to the Scottish child payment was ensuring disregard for income. If there is no such disregard for mitigating the two-child cap, there will be no gain for the family. That disregard will have to be agreed. We need data, an agreement on disregard, and legislation; the system will then need to be set up.

However, to answer your question, communication is good and there seems to be a willingness to work with us on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Shona Robison

That is an option in the future if circumstances change. As you pointed out, a lot of work has been done on the public health supplement. However, I believe very strongly that, as you have set out, this is not the right time to introduce such a supplement, primarily because of the pressures of the increase in employer national insurance contributions. The Scottish retail sector has very much welcomed the fact that that has been recognised and that we are not going ahead with the supplement.

The supplement would have affected mainly large retail operations. Nevertheless, given the oncosts of employers’ national insurance contributions, we came to the conclusion that this is not the right time. I do not have a crystal ball to see whether there will be different circumstances in the future, but those were the reasons for the decision.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Shona Robison

I have a lot of sympathy with the principle behind that, given that we are trying to avoid the loss of homes, particularly in rural Scotland, where the issue remains despite the action that has been taken. My starting point is to empower local government to make those decisions. We are looking at a consultation on the general power of competence, and you will be aware that we have taken measures to strengthen the fiscal levers that local government has.

I will need to come back to you on whether there is time left in the current parliamentary session, given that primary legislation would be needed to go beyond the existing second home levy, as you set out. I do not think that that is planned, but I will come back to you and confirm that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Shona Robison

I am aware that that has been looked at. Ellen, can you respond?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Shona Robison

Those figures are correct. Lifting the two-child cap will lift around 15,000 children out of poverty. It will help many more families than that, but the estimate is that it will lift 15,000 children out of poverty. Bear in mind that those are some of the poorest families, so it will be game changing.

In relation to our statutory duty to tackle child poverty, we think that lifting the two-child cap will be the most impactful lever on the back of the other measures that we have taken, such as the Scottish child payment, free school meals and so on, to help lift some of the poorest families out of poverty.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Shona Robison

I will bring in my officials to respond to that question.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Shona Robison

We need to work through that a bit more. On the basis of what the UK building safety levy will bring in, we have estimated that around £30 million a year will be contributed. I guess that that will last for as long as the programme lasts for. We discussed whether the levy would continue once all the identified buildings had been remediated—that is a legitimate question. I see the contribution very much as funding the programme, so the levy would need to remain in place for as long as is required to do that, and it will need to be kept under review.

Another question was about what would happen if it turned out that the work was not as expensive as expected and a lot of buildings did not need the expected level of remediation. We can review the levy if that turns out to be the case, but I suspect that that will not turn out to be the case, given the scale of the problem.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Shona Robison

Do we have a date for the bill’s introduction?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Shona Robison

Those discussions are on-going. We are cognisant of the fact that Scotland has a larger small and medium-sized enterprises developer sector than is the case elsewhere. Those SMEs have been very important for the affordable housing sector.

When it comes to developers who will be required to contribute to remediation, we are talking about those that have a turnover of more than £10 million. Stephen Lea-Ross might want to say more about that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Shona Robison

Some of the buildings are very complex and some are not. Some are straightforward and may require little or no remediation but, as Stephen Lea-Ross said, the ones that require extensive remediation could, in themselves, take up to five years to remediate.