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Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2025
Sarah Boyack
So, just having it as a requirement on paper is not enough. That is why I asked about the experience in Wales of having the commissioner follow up such reports and ask questions, which means that there is not just guidance but, importantly, a potential investigation, which could affect a body’s reputation. To what extent do you think that public bodies would take proactive action to avoid reputational damage and engage in the sort of collaboration that we have seen in Wales if we had similar provisions in place here?
Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2025
Sarah Boyack
I want to ask—
Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2025
Sarah Boyack
Apologies, convener. This was going to be my last question anyway. I will try to keep it sharp.
Earlier, there was a reference to the Carnegie UK report about alternative ways of doing things in relation to future generations, parliamentary committees and so on. Do you have any thoughts about what could be done in that regard if we did not have a body with potential investigatory powers and the ability to provide guidance? We have the national performance framework, but, without that focus, how would a future generations commissioner be able to apply pressure and support public sector bodies? How could the elements of the bill involving the definition and the requirement to have regard to wellbeing and sustainable development be implemented?
Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2025
Sarah Boyack
That is very much appreciated. It has been good to listen to committee colleagues’ questions.
I will kick off, Professor Jones, by asking you about a couple of your earlier answers on the extent to which public bodies have improved their actions in relation to these issues since the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales was established. You referenced modest change and the maturity of public bodies over the past decade. Will you give us some practical examples to evidence what you meant by that? Is it preventative spending? Is it policy direction? Will you give us some examples, just to bring it to life?
Social Justice and Social Security Committee
Meeting date: 9 October 2025
Sarah Boyack
That is really useful. The 2015 act has changed the landscape.
I have a question about the fact that all public sector bodies are under pressure but do not have unlimited funding, which makes that collaborative approach important. Have you seen a difference in the decisions made by public sector bodies because of preventative spending or longer-term thinking? Has the act legitimised that kind of approach?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Sarah Boyack
And that is good.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Sarah Boyack
That is helpful. Does anyone else want to come in?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Sarah Boyack
How would you amend the bill?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Sarah Boyack
We have just been talking about organisations and individuals. What happens if it is actually an individual who has committed the alleged crime? Would it be appropriate to prosecute an individual—for example, a member of the public who, by their actions, creates a wildfire that goes on for more than a week and has massive consequences? We have experienced that situation quite recently. Would it be legitimate, under the bill, to prosecute somebody if that was reckless behaviour?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 23 September 2025
Sarah Boyack
Thank you—that answer was swift.
What about the other witnesses? Do I see nodding heads, or do you disagree?