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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 May 2024
Pauline McNeill
It would be helpful for us to understand how that body would operate.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 May 2024
Pauline McNeill
In my line of questioning, I am trying to understand what good this bill might do, what the gaps are and whether, if we were not doing what was in the bill, there is anything else that would need to be resolved. Would you be able to provide the committee with any details about the length of time that officers have been waiting for their court trials and so on?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 May 2024
Pauline McNeill
Lastly, on the question whether an independent body is the answer, this is my concern in that respect—and I have to say that I do not have a view on this, myself. An example suggested in our papers relates to someone making a complaint because a police officer has used too much restraint. That must be a difficult judgment for anyone but, if you have no experience of restraint, how can you make a judgment on that sort of complaint against a police officer? That is the question that I have with regard to whether a completely independent body is the answer.
12:30Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 May 2024
Pauline McNeill
In cases where police officers go before the court and are not convicted, should any other misconduct issues related to those cases automatically be dropped? I hear what you are saying: you do not want to do things the other way round, as Sharon Dowey has suggested, because it might prejudice a court case. Obviously, we would be talking about a higher court here. If there is no conviction, why should the police continue with a misconduct disciplinary procedure against that police officer? After all, the court has already determined the matter.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 May 2024
Pauline McNeill
I see, but it just seems grossly unfair to be tried for the same offence by the court and by the police. It might be fair enough, if it were not for the issue of timescales. We have heard loud and clear really alarming evidence from Craig Naylor about the level of distress and mental ill health among the officers concerned. Everyone is prepared to defend themselves and deal with the charge against them, but it is the duration that they have to wait. Should there be clear timescales in legislation that Police Scotland has to abide by?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 May 2024
Pauline McNeill
It is not a supplementary—well, it kind of is.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 May 2024
Pauline McNeill
As an alternative model—an independent body—has been raised in the lines of questioning, I ask Dr Lennon what that would look like. Would there be police officers on the independent body? Most professions, rightly or wrongly, police themselves or have some representation. What would the independent body cover? Would it be misconduct or all complaints?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 May 2024
Pauline McNeill
What did you mean when you said that you favour an independent body? Did you mean for whistleblowing?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 May 2024
Pauline McNeill
Good afternoon. I find the responses from David Kennedy and, in fact, David Malcolm about not being told what you have been accused of very interesting, given the previous panel’s remarks about the importance of human rights. It is a fundamental right, even under Scots law, to know what you are being accused of and who your accusers are, but that does not seem to apply here either to staff or to police officers.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 8 May 2024
Pauline McNeill
It would be helpful to have that information.