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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
Do you know why?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
I am sorry, but I am not accepting that. You have already told the committee that the decision was signed off by headquarters, so nobody second guessed. Which is it? In evidence to the committee, you said that the decision was signed off by headquarters. Am I right?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
So how was it second guessed?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
You seem to be questioning what was said. Again, I point to the statement that was made by Rhona Hotchkiss, the former governor of Cornton Vale. She said:
“... it is always an issue to have trans women in with female prisoners.”
That means that it affects not only one prisoner. Do you accept what Rhona Hotchkiss said?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
So, what was said is not true. The problem I have is that, every time I ask a question, I get management speak in response, and it is the same with the deputy governor. I am trying to get some clarity. Rhona Hotchkiss has been the governor of Cornton Vale, so do you think her assessment is fair?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
Is it not the experience that you had?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
When you say “information”, do you mean that they had self-identified? Can we be clear about this? Please do not give me any more—
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
That was the reason.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
I know what you are saying but, given that headquarters signed off the decision, what would have been the risk in segregating the prisoner elsewhere? Surely, there would have been no risk. I do not know whether there is a segregation unit in Greenock, but I know that there is one in Barlinnie. What would have been the risk in doing that?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 February 2023
Pauline McNeill
Okay. I am sorry. I was confused by the phrase “second guess”. You are talking about hindsight, with us knowing what we all know now.
Thank you for that.