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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you—it was comprehensive. I ask Barry McCulloch the same question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Liam Kerr said that the regulations are being delayed again. No—the regulations will be delayed only if the committee and the Parliament do not approve them.

The scheme is a hugely important one for tackling waste in Scotland. Undoubtedly, there have been some challenges and, indeed, disappointments along the way in trying to deliver it. However, in terms of innovation, the reach of the scheme and what it will deliver, I can tell the committee that, in my constituency, the supermarket chain Aldi has already introduced its first pilot deposit and return scheme.

Scotland wants us to get on with the scheme. Yes, we need to scrutinise it. I have listened to colleagues, and I recommend that the committee should take a strong line in scrutinising the development and implementation of the scheme. However, the Parliament has a duty and responsibility to tackle waste and to drive forward our agenda on net zero and wider environmental issues, and I strongly recommend that the committee should vote in favour of the statutory instrument.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Fiona Hyslop

It is about the speed and scale of co-investment between councils and private companies, which is important if we are to deliver on net zero. The Subsidy Control Bill is going through Westminster. Obviously, we want subsidy control and understand its importance but, if there is risk aversion because of the nature of that system, that could affect the scale and speed of co-investment between private companies and councils. With previous co-investments between private companies and councils, there have been streamlined schemes to help to get rapid approval. Given that we need clarity to move forward with tackling net zero, would your membership welcome some kind of streamlined scheme for approvals of subsidy by local authorities?

If you want to come back to us on that, I am happy for you to do so, but that is a live issue in the Parliament just now.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Fiona Hyslop

What are the top planning, practice and regulation changes that will be most helpful for your membership to deliver net zero in the short term and the long term?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Fiona Hyslop

I am glad that the witnesses could join us to share their valuable insights. I will ask you separate questions, to pursue some of the points that you have already made.

The Scottish Government has established a green heat finance task force. As its work has just started, your perspective on what that should cover would be helpful.

I will come to Jeremy Lawson first on the idea of aggregating investable propositions. I very much appreciate your comments on wider concepts and frameworks, but what does that look like in terms of aggregation? The Scottish Government has established a green investment portfolio, but even with £3 billion-worth of funding, things will be challenging, particularly given that there are subsets to that portfolio. What size of investment would your investment colleagues consider it worth coming to the table for?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Tim, I am very interested in what you said about looking at this from a systems point of view and not looking just at the separate sectors. Heat in buildings and the role of councils are the focus of a lot of our interest, but your point about the importance of looking at energy production and distribution as a package, as well as looking at what is useful in houses, is an interesting one. Is that the area that you were thinking about?

I will also ask my other question now, because I am conscious of the time. Will you talk about pension fund investment? People have said that the local authority pension funds could and should be investing in this area. What needs to change in order to encourage that? Is there a danger that the easier option is carbon offsetting and natural capital investment, as opposed to developing a partnership for decarbonisation?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you; it would be good to hear back from you on that.

Barry, it would be good to hear from you with regard to small businesses that might be doing joint projects with councils that involve some kind of subsidy or incentive from the council. How do we avoid risk aversion for competition and subsidy issues?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you. I am conscious of the time, so I will move on to Sandy Begbie. You were talking about potential equity release products and packages. You could perhaps see a mortgage modification product in the private sector, but in the public sector, when looking at local authorities and the securitisation of assets, are you looking at some kind of—dare I say it—private sector share in publicly owned stock? That would be a massive change for many local authorities, but do you see a risk-based approach on a city deal basis as a potential solution? Sandy, do you have any comments on that or on pensions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 25 January 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you. I will pass back to the convener.