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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

I thank our witnesses for taking part this morning. The committee will have a private discussion on the evidence that has been taken once the public part of our meeting has ended. If any of you have any further reflections that you want to provide to supplement your evidence, particularly on your wishes for one of your key partners, local government, we will be keen to hear from you.

The witnesses may leave the meeting, and I call a brief suspension to allow things to be set up for our next agenda item.

10:44 Meeting suspended.  

10:49 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Welcome back. We now turn our attention to P&O Ferries. This session was scheduled following P&O’s 17 March announcement on staffing and on the suspension of services. I refer members to the papers for this item of business, which were issued by the clerks and by SPICe on Friday.

I welcome Peter Hebblethwaite, chief executive officer of P&O Ferries. I thank him for accepting our invitation at short notice and for his reply to our letter, which we received at 8.56 am today.

We have allocated one hour for this session. I understand that Mr Hebblethwaite would like to make an opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you. Martyn Raine, would you like to comment on current skills gaps that are likely to increase, any anticipated new skills gaps and what your members are doing to address those gaps?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Obviously, in this inquiry, we want to focus on our witnesses’ work and relationships with local government, which procures and creates demand, too. It would be helpful if you could refer to that in your answers.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you. We move to questions from Monica Lennon.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

I will now go to Grant Tierney, who may be on audio only.

Grant, will you comment on what you have heard, where you think new skills gaps are likely to emerge and the current skills gaps? We have heard that there needs to be a demand from local authorities. Speaking on behalf of Local Authority Building Standards Scotland, might you have a sense of whether enough demand is currently coming from local authorities to stimulate training in not only local authority areas but the private sector?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you very much. I am glad that we can see you as well.

This brief question is for the two Ians, Gordon and Martin. The CITB said that 22,500 new skilled jobs are required and that—significantly—a number of them will be filled from the existing workforce. What intensity and length of retraining would be required to upskill people for that demand in your particular areas?

I will start with Ian Hill.

09:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Do you have any regret or shame?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Passengers are going to be worried about crews not getting paid for half the year, having to find other employment for the rest of the year and therefore, I suspect, being extremely weary and tired when they operate your ferries. Is that not a safety risk in and of itself?

The UK Government might well, as we expect, decide to put you and your competitors—for example, Irish Ferries, which you refer to in your letter—under the same requirement to pay the national minimum wage, but what, apart from risk to passengers, will be the benefit of having crew who are very tired and weary from having to supplement their income because you have halved their paid time at work?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Will the new crew be unionised?