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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I wanted to do it in a stream, so that you follow my train of thought.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

Is that additional to the £29.3 million that we already have for compliance?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

Convener, do we know the level of the fines? Do we have information about that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I would quite like to see that. If we are being told that the fines are not high enough, that has to change. It deters the people who obey the law, which is wrong if others get away with it.

I do not know if I have anything else to say, but I might want to come back in with supplementary questions. I am trying to find my way through my papers.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

When we look at the millions that you are having to spend on compliance and enforcement, £140,000 does not seem like an awful lot of money. Does that get ploughed back into the budget?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I am learning as we go along, but I want to highlight one key thing—only one. I understand that this is an interim measure and that the aim is to keep policies as they are—blah-di-blah-di-blah—but I note that, as the convener has pointed out, the DPLR Committee has said:

“under regulation 2(4) the instrument keeps the rate of payments under the Less Favoured Area Support Scheme at the current rate (which is the rate ... in 2018)”.

According to the report, the instrument will keep payments at that rate for the next 12 years. That is the first thing.

Secondly, as I say, I am new to this game, but the word “interim” does not usually mean that it will take six years to get something sorted out. I understand that farming is a long-term thing, but we are talking about an interim measure lasting for six years. I want clarity on what is being said.

The DPLR Committee report also talks about

“the current rate (which is the rate that applied in 2018) until 2030.”

In other words, there is a line in the sand at 2030. Are you saying, minister, that this interim measure could finish in 2027, or is 2030 the deadline? Is that the date that will be kept?

Therefore, there are actually three points that I want to make: one about the level of payments; one about the fact that, although we are talking about a date that is six years away, this is still called an interim measure; and one about the fact that 2030 seems to be the actual date—it does not say “up to 2030” or “no later than 2030”; it is 2030.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I know that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

For 12 years.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I do not understand this. If somebody says to me—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

So

“at the current rate ... until 2030”

should probably say “at the current rate”—whatever that rate is—“not beyond 2030” or something like that, because you are saying that the rate could be changed earlier. The report made me think that the rate would stay the same until 2030, but it could be changed earlier. Is that correct?