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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 November 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

Well, the Government could do it.

I do not want to pre-empt the committee, but here is what I hope that it will do if it takes the view that it might support the bill at stage 1, if I give an undertaking about part 2, subject to the Government’s own view. It would be good if the committee were to push the Government to put through a national microchipping database. As I have said, that has been on the cards for six years, and it would be a good opportunity to push that forward.

It would be another step towards the identification and traceability of dogs, for a whole range of reasons. Control of dogs notices could be part of it—I brought that legislation forward—as well as information about where the dog came from. A lot of stuff could be added, if we had the right system. I am not a technocrat, but a lot can be added to a proper system, including more information about the dogs, so that we have traceability throughout Scotland on a rolling—and national—basis.

It is a great opportunity for the committee to push the Government along that road, if the Government is going to say that registration is too onerous.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

I would be very happy for the committee to pursue either cross-referencing or a national microchipping database. That would be superb—indeed, excellent—and it would move us a long way towards assisting with the legislation and the code.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

No. The position is that I am keen on part 1. If the committee wants to pursue microchipping in the bill, it is open to it to take evidence from the Government. The Government introduced the idea in its evidence; I sat in the committee when the minister introduced a line about microchipping. If the committee wants to lodge amendments to add such provisions, it can always take evidence at stage 2.

The Microchipping of Dogs (Scotland) Regulations 2016 require substantial details to be recorded. That is already in force, but we do not have the ability to cross-reference. The regulations refer to

“the full name and address of the keeper ... the contact telephone number ... the e-mail address ... the fact that the keeper ... is also a breeder ... the fact that the keeper of the dog is a person who holds a breeding licence”

and

“the name of the local authority which issued the breeder’s licence”.

A whole list of things are there.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

I will also say that I saw my puppy with the other dogs, and it was very well socialised and happy as a bunny. The gamekeeper told us that they were keeping two but that they did not need the other six, because they would not be suitable.

To me, this is not a difficult issue. The difference is that a working dog retires but a pet does not. A working dog might retire and be kept with a person after it does so.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

I was a young woman at the beginning of this process.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

I want to get the bill through, so I have to carry a lot of people with me, including the Government. Therefore, I have taken a lighter-touch approach. When I started out all those years ago, in my youth, there were going to be penalties and everything else. A lot has changed in that time—with inflation, the pressures on local government and the pressures on budgets—so I must be realistic.

What is important to me is that I get the education part through. That is why I am prepared to compromise on other parts, and it is why the bill takes a lighter touch on registration. I would love it to be tougher, but you have to fit in with the times and with what is practicable in terms of legislation. I hope that what I have ended up with—bearing in mind my caveat about registration in the light of a national microchipping system—can become law and can work. I am not interested in legislation for its own sake; I want it to change what is happening out there for puppies and owners. That is why I have taken a lighter-touch approach on the registration scheme, and it is why I have moved a bit further as I have gone along the road.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

I do not think that the Government has been as specific as that. It has alluded to a microchipping system and a national database as something that would be useful. I do not think—to the best of my knowledge; I will just check—that it has gone so far as to say that what has been proposed would be equivalent to that. However, it is a better step than having nothing at all, as we have at the moment.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

I am not looking to add information; my thrust is about registration. Every cow and sheep in Scotland has a registration number; I would like that for each puppy sale or transfer. This has been added by the Government—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

Rabbits are not registered, are they? I do not know—maybe they are.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

That is a can of worms—or a database of worms.