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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

I thank the minister and her officials for their time this morning. That concludes the public part of our proceedings.

11:34 Meeting continued in private until 12:09.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

We come to questions from Stephanie Callaghan. I know that some of the topics that you want to address might have been covered already, Stephanie, so please take some time to develop your line of questioning if you need to.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

I will come in on that issue, too. The evidence that we heard from the secure settings that we visited was that they were not equipped to deal with that right now, which is contrary to your comment in response to Stephanie Callaghan’s questioning. I wonder whether you could reflect on my comments as well as those of the deputy convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you, minister. We are going to start hopping about a bit, because members have some supplementary questions that we can sweep up now that we have a bit more time. Pam Duncan-Glancy has a specific question on legal representation and MRCs.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

Liam Kerr has a quick supplementary question on this theme.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

Do you wish to respond to that, minister?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you for that, minister. We will move to questions from members. I will start.

The Scottish Government’s updated finances for the bill provide more money for local authorities specifically for social work. However, last week, we heard from Social Work Scotland that many social work posts are vacant and that there is no “systematic plan in place” to tackle recruitment and retention. I am also aware that, in the social work pool, when someone talented is promoted there is quite a gap in relation to those coming in and the experience of those in leadership posts in terms of the skills on the ground. What is the minister doing to tackle recruitment and retention and the skills gap between people moving through the profession?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

If the framework will be published next year and is not under your remit, that indicates the cross-portfolio nature of the bill and that there will be impacts elsewhere, with the complexities that come with that. Social work services are under pressure right now, and we have been told that, as a result of the current demands that are being faced, many people are leaving the profession. It has been identified, from people’s experiences of the children’s hearings system, that one reason why people are leaving is the complexity and size of the workload that they have to deal with. Are we doing anything to address that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

That plan will be published next year, so it will not help them right now. What are we doing to recruit and retain staff right now? We cannot afford to be bleeding social workers when the bill will require those individuals to carry out more quality work to support our young people.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

Michelle Thomson is next. Thank you for your patience, Michelle.