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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

Section 3 of your submission is on “Provision of Refund Guarantees”. In section 3.6, you state that

“CMAL had no awareness of, or involvement in, these exchanges.”

That was in reference to exchanges between MSPs and so on about the non-provision of the refund guarantee from Ferguson Marine Engineering Ltd. When did you find out that FMEL was not giving the builders refund guarantee and why did you not go back to the tendering process at that point?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

Good morning. On procurement, which you mentioned in your opening statement, one of the stated aims on your website is to be cost effective. To what extent do you consider the procurement of vessels 801 and 802 to be cost effective?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

What minister was it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

Why did you not get a copy of that? It says in the paperwork somewhere that you asked for a letter of comfort. You state:

“The chair requested that Transport Scotland provide CMAL with a letter of comfort if required. John Nicholls agreed that a letter of comfort would be provided to CMAL.”

However, there does not seem to be a lot of communication or evidence to show that the letter of comfort was put in.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

At the time, were you happy to go forward with the contract, or did you feel that you were being forced into it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

In some of the further evidence that we got, we spoke to Roy Brannen. He said:

“Transport Scotland did not have a role in the contract—it was between CMAL as the buyer and FMEL as the builder. CMAL had to satisfy itself that it was able to enter into that contract and resolve whatever issues were apparent.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 26 May 2022; c 12.]

Roy Brannen is saying that the decision was not to do with ministers and it was not to do with Transport Scotland; the decision was for CMAL.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

That is fair. That is me for now but I might come back in later, convener.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

That is what you do.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

You disagree with that.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

I might come back to more questions on that later on.

How fit for purpose is the current ferry procurement process in Scotland, and how does it compare with processes in other countries? That question is based on previous evidence that we have had. We are now procuring ferries from Turkey, but the ferries that we have procured are double the price that Norway is paying.