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Criminal Justice Committee Draft
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Sharon Dowey
So, you are fine with that.
My final question is for all three witnesses. Can you estimate the scale of any costs for your organisations arising from the bill, and are they adequately represented in the financial memorandum?
I ask Dr Forbes to respond first, as she said that the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service had not been consulted in advance of the preparation of the financial memorandum.
Criminal Justice Committee Draft
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Sharon Dowey
I also want to ask for an update on the work that is being done on forensic services and the potential future impact on revenue and capital budget requirements. Your submission says:
“Forensic Services are being delivered at a cost of £47.4 million in the current 2025-26 financial year. This represents 3.2% of overall policing budget and ... we don’t expect this percentage to significantly change in the year ahead.”
We have a big drug problem and there has been an increase in drug driving. In the submission, you mention that public confidence is declining. There seems to be a correlation between that and the fact that there are far fewer road traffic officers. The increase in drug driving might be a result of not having enough toxicology checks. There has also been an increase in accidents. Are you confident that the budget increase that Police Scotland has requested will allow more road traffic officers to go out? Do you have enough money for forensic services?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Sharon Dowey
I agree with the comments that many other committee members have made, but it concerns me that we are talking about an emergency, when an emergency is something that cannot be foreseen. My concern is that this now feels like business as usual because this is the third emergency release of prisoners. Mr MacGregor said that we know that we have an ageing prison population; Wendy Sinclair-Gieben highlighted that in a report a few years ago and asked what we were doing about that ageing population to take pressure off the Prison Service. I do not see that we have taken much action on that.
Again, the people who are in prison are there for a reason—they might have caused mayhem in their communities. I realise that we must protect prison officers, but we are going to move this cohort of people from prison back into communities where they will cause mayhem for police officers who are already struggling to deal with the amount of cases that they have. They just feel that no action is being taken on this.
I do not think that this is an emergency situation. It feels more like business as usual, and I would like to see more on diversion from prosecution. I just feel that we will be back here again.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Sharon Dowey
You said that there was a big cohort of people in Ireland in the middle of the curve who had no choice. If we get the services right, do you think that a lot of people will leave the sex trade?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Sharon Dowey
Professor Phoenix, do you have anything to add?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Sharon Dowey
Dr Sandy, would you like to respond?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Sharon Dowey
I will ask about assistance and support, which a lot of you mentioned in your opening statements. The importance of support for people who are or have been involved in prostitution has been highlighted in evidence to the committee. What should that support look like? Secondly, are the provisions of the bill on that issue helpful? Thirdly, are you able to comment on the estimated costs of providing support as set out in the bill’s financial memorandum?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Sharon Dowey
Yes.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Sharon Dowey
Ruth Breslin, do you have anything short to say?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Sharon Dowey
Thank you. If you could send us information on those two projects, that would be helpful.