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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 May 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, panel, and thank you for your comments so far. I want to extend the conversation on the just transition fund. I also have a couple of questions on the supply chain and community engagement.

In relation to the wider supply chain—Emma Harrick just talked about the importance of SMEs in the energy supply chain—how targeted do you think the just transition fund should be in supporting the supply chain specifically?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Can I ask one final short question, convener?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

We hear quite a lot about challenges in the supply chain and understanding where those challenges come from, what the barriers are and how we can unpick them. Obviously, money is one thing, but do we understand the broader strategic landscape of Scotland’s supply chain? I am thinking in broad terms about our renewables industry—it is about the broader strategic picture, not just the specific links.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

You talked about mitigations and a balance. I suppose that the argument that some in Torry would make is that they have already been compromised for 50 years, through losing houses and community facilities. There is not really a mitigation for losing the last remaining green space in the area—once it has gone, it has gone. There is also the issue of the wetlands there. How can we be genuine in our intention to have a just transition when we know that life expectancy in Torry can be up to 10 years lower than is the case just across the river, and that the loss of green space is about more than just trees, grass and wetlands; it is about supporting a genuinely healthy community? How do you see those mitigations making up for the potential destruction of the last remaining green space?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. You mentioned 1,000 companies that Scottish Enterprise wants to work with. How many of those are not in the energy sector?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. That is really helpful. I will leave it there.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Okay. That is really helpful.

My final question is a broader one, on community engagement. Maybe it seems a little odd to ask this panel about that, but it is important to do so.

What role should the community voice have in your work and planning? When we talk about a just transition, we tend to focus on commercial activity and, to a lesser extent, on workers and the skills that are needed, and we forget that all those people live in communities. Communities are directly and indirectly affected not only by the economy but by other things that happen as a consequence of our energy economy. Where do you see the weaknesses in what we are doing in the broader just work around community engagement and hearing the community voice?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. That is helpful.

Suzanne Sosna, we have had a brief discussion about the role of SMEs. I wonder whether there is a microenterprise that we are missing that is much more community located and situated. Is there stuff in the local and very small positive impact that we are missing?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Just on that—

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thanks.

I want to ask John Boland about community engagement. Has there been enough conversation and engagement with, and listening to, workers and the communities that they come from and support with regard to the just transition in the round?