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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Yes, that makes sense.

I come back to Paul O’Kane.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you, Jim, and I thank Jan, Claire and Shelley, too. It has been an interesting discussion. We really appreciate your time and your thoughts this morning.

That ends the public part of the meeting. Thank you very much, everyone.

10:52 Meeting continued in private until 11:04.  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

I have a couple of supplementary questions that pick up on some of the comments that you have made. I was struck by Jim Farish’s comment that there is almost a mismatch between the legislation or what people know they should be delivering and people’s experience of what is delivered. Shelley Gray talked about the absence of a shared understanding across Scotland of what rights are, what they could be and what they should or must be—all those things.

You spoke about your work with civil society, your work going into communities and all those elements. Is there a role for us, as MSPs, in that regard? You provide training to this committee reasonably regularly on different elements of human rights in both the Scottish and UK landscapes, but also globally. You have also worked with the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. Given what you said about the value of information from casework and the case loads that MSPs have in certain areas, can we do more across Parliament to help MSPs to better understand what they should be looking for so that they can come to you or to us as a committee and we can have a better shared understanding? Where could you support that work?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. As Fulton MacGregor has no further questions, we move to Meghan Gallacher.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Jan. Annie, back to you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks—that is helpful. Those of us who are on this committee probably think more regularly than others do about the human rights deficiencies that constituents come to us with. Maybe I am speaking ill of some of my colleagues, but I assume that those things are not uppermost in all our minds when we deal with casework. There is substantial work to be done, which may include the committee considering how we share these conversations with our colleagues. We have done some of that work in the budgeting conversations that we have had, given that equalities and human rights budgeting is everybody’s job and not just the job of members of this committee.

Do members have any other thoughts or questions that they want to raise? I do not see anyone shouting out in the room or online. Do members of the panel have any final comments or thoughts that they want to leave with us?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

I think that Jim Farish and Shelley Gray want to come in as well.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

I declare that, formerly, I worked for a rape crisis centre.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

My final question follows on from earlier questions. If a transgender prisoner is convicted of a crime that has absolutely nothing to do with violence of a sexual or other nature, what is the process for deciding which estate they will be sent to?

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

But, in doing so, you will take into account the issues that are expressed.