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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

That has been really helpful. One of the challenges is that, although really good work might be happening in different parts of government—from local government all the way through to the United Kingdom level—things might not be being joined up.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

That was really helpful. Whose responsibility is it to do that engagement work with small businesses to make sure that they know that it is not as big and scary as they might think it is? Are the FSB, other business organisations and government at different levels joined up enough? Are we closing the loops and connecting each other in the right way in our approach to narrowing the disability employment gap?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. You raise an interesting point on the ambitions to halve the disability employment gap. Does the focus on the easy-to-win ambitions further marginalise from the labour market people with much more complex needs?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

I come to Elizabeth Baird. How do we ensure that we make the most of what you are telling us is a good system?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. I come to David McCallum. Given the work that you do with all 32 local authorities, you get a whole Scotland picture. What are we missing here?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

I suppose that that enables you to deal with the tension that we have identified exists between providing an inclusive service that is open to everybody and meeting bespoke needs. I know that other members might want to ask about specific areas of need or groups of disabled people with specific needs, but do we have the agility to say, “Come all, but here is a bespoke service for you”?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. You have all touched on this in different ways. Earlier this morning, we heard from representatives of LEPs and local authorities that they thought that there were robust structures and processes in place regarding employability services for disabled people, and that capacity and sustained funding were the key issues in preventing us from tackling the disability employment gap. From what you have said, I get the feeling that you do not think that the employability system is working as well as it should be. Are there structures or processes that we need to transform or change, or to get rid of or replace, in order that we can do what we all want to do, which is to free you up to focus on supporting people into employment?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Ashley Ryan, you talked about the different structure that you have in Dundee and how that seems to work better than elsewhere. Are there opportunities for sharing models or systems or examples of good practice that you know work? Are people willing to say, “Yes, we can learn from that. How can we do something differently over here?” Are there enough opportunities to share good practice?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

You would say that it is primarily a resourcing issue rather than anything to do with structures or anything like that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

It sounds as though you have a good tracking mechanism and good processes, which means that if somebody drops out or has a wobble, you can come in with an offer. How does somebody get into that? To what extent does that require proactive searching by the individual—the young person themselves, their family or support worker, or whoever? Last week, we spoke to folk who did not know what support was out there and who fell into support by accident or by chance. That is not the situation that we want to be in.