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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

We can certainly ask for that information, but there is no power to compel committees to provide it. One of the reasons for establishing the agreement between the Conveners Group and the corporate body last year was to address some of these issues and to open a line of communication that had perhaps not been as effective as it might have been in the past. It was also about supporting committees in understanding where the different responsibilities—that is, the corporate body’s responsibilities and their own—lay.

As Jackson Carlaw said initially, it is probably the case that not many MSPs come into Parliament with a desire to scrutinise the work and functions of a commissioner or a commission, and when they understand that such scrutiny is among the responsibilities of a committee, I would not say that it comes as a shock or a surprise, but people just do not seem to be aware of such things. The agreement, therefore, was an attempt to try to strengthen that awareness.

I also point out that, as Jackson Carlaw outlined, we have changed the way that we call in commissioners and commissions; we now do so at least annually to hear about issues—that is separate from the budget scrutiny and the annual report stuff that we do. There are mechanisms in that respect.

Does the corporate body routinely get told when committees call in office-holders? No. Can we ask? Yes, but there is no obligation on committees to let the corporate body know what they have done in a particular year.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Tracey Francis, what are your views on what “good” looks like?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

In some ways, my question follows on from your conversation with Colin Beattie. You have spoken in different ways about the need to change culture and we have heard in previous sessions about people being afraid because they do not know what it will mean to have a disabled young person in their employment or in their education setting and how to support them. One way to overcome that fear and address some of the culture change issues—although it does not tackle them completely—is to show good examples. Could you talk through some clear examples of when it all works? What does “good” look like? You have talked about vocational profiling and about multi-agency approaches. When it works, what does that mean for the people providing the support, for the families and for the young people themselves? Perhaps Anne-Marie Sturrock could start.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Yes, of course.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Is the transition for somebody out of college the same for employment or wherever they are going on to?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

It is not common.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

And having the resources to deliver those services?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

That all comes as a package.

You were speaking about that transition from school to college and aligning the curriculum, which might strike terror into some college lecturers. Could you say a little bit more about what you mean when you talk about aligning the curriculum? What would that mean for people who have to deliver that? Are you talking about redesigning entire programmes and that kind of thing?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is really helpful. Thank you. I will leave it there.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

In that second example, there is the issue of making sure that the support is there consistently, because, say the bus timetable changed or something, the young person might need to go through that process again, but it should not be a defeating moment.