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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 March 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Ministerial Portfolio: Equalities and Older People

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Maggie Chapman

You touched on the work that has been done to improve the data collection that we do. The equality data improvement plan is under way, but you have spoken about the work that Lesley Irving will be doing. I am interested in joining the dots between the data that we get and how we fund third sector and other organisations to deliver support and other services. As you will know, one of the key challenges for many third sector organisations is project-focused funding, which does not necessarily allow for full cost recovery, full backroom support and a trauma-informed approach.

How is your thinking developing when it comes to joining the dots on the data that we know we need to collect, which evidences need and therefore allows us to provide the expert support organisations that are out there with the full funding that they need, rather than just covering the front-line service delivery costs?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Ministerial Portfolio: Equalities and Older People

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you both for those answers. Nick, I might pick your brains about that in future, outwith the committee.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Ministerial Portfolio: Equalities and Older People

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you for that information, minister. You talked about the primary prevention work that is going on. I am very familiar with some of that, especially the work in schools. Has there been any attempt to co-ordinate the continuation of that work into further and higher education? I know that the fearless projects in Glasgow and Edinburgh are well off the ground across university campuses, but it is important to have an overview of that work and ensure that White Ribbon Scotland is involved.

We also need to ensure that that work is done not only in the central belt but across universities and college campuses elsewhere, because they function within the same patriarchal system as the rest of us do. Do you have any comments on connections more widely with our further and higher education institutions?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gypsy Travellers in Scotland

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thanks—that is really helpful.

Lynne, can I have your comments on that too, please?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gypsy Travellers in Scotland

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you—that is helpful.

Davie, you challenged us to move away from gesture politics. I have heard you and others speak about that before. One of the obvious questions is—[Inaudible.]—and what do we need to do differently? Do we need to do something different in our direct engagement with Gypsy Travelling communities? You spoke about the sustainability and continuity of funding being key. There is obviously a gap, disconnect or hole, intentional or otherwise. What are your thoughts on some of the ways through that for us?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gypsy Travellers in Scotland

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Maggie Chapman

Good morning to our witnesses and thank you for giving up your time to join the committee. Thank you for your opening remarks. There is a lot of challenge in what you have already said and there are many areas for the committee and, as Davie Donaldson said in his final comments, for the Government and the country more generally to work on.

Many of the witnesses have talked about the work that local authorities do and the services that they provide, whether that is individually or through COSLA. The action plan mentions the need for close partnership working. There are different levels of responsibility between local government and the Scottish Government, but third sector organisations also play a crucial role.

What are we getting right with partnership working and, more importantly, what are we getting wrong, and what do we need to fix? I will ask each of you in turn. A couple of you have already talked about monitoring and evaluation needing to be comparable across the country, for example. I am interested in specific examples, if you have them and are prepared to talk about them. I will go to Suzanne Munday first.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gypsy Travellers in Scotland

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thanks—that is really helpful.

Lynne has just spoken about top-down directives and the mismatch or disconnect with the local level. Maureen, you spoke in your opening remarks about the curriculum not necessarily being relevant to a Traveller community’s lives and their experience. Can you give us other examples or explain a little more how we have not got that right?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gypsy Travellers in Scotland

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Maggie Chapman

Getting that right will be a significant challenge for education across the board.

Leslie, you, too, have talked about education and continuity of services. How could we use partnership working better to build continuity and embed it in the design of our services and functions? How does that sort of thing play out, and how does it support the young people with whom you work?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gypsy Travellers in Scotland

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thanks—that is really clear.

Convener, I will be guided by you. I know that Suzanne Munday wants to come back in briefly, but I am conscious that I have maybe hogged the questions, so we should move on.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish National Investment Bank

Meeting date: 16 March 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you for expressing your willingness to come back to us. I appreciate that and I know that others on the committee would appreciate regular engagement with you.

Following on from Fiona Hyslop and Colin Beattie’s points earlier, I appreciate that it is early days but I am interested in exploring the challenges that you face in meeting the strategic objectives. There will be a limit to the life of some of those projects, and challenges in relation to them. What do you need to overcome those challenges?

My next question is linked to that, although it deals with a slightly separate matter. Given the overarching purpose of the bank and its strategic objectives, it is clear that good examples of sustainable development are offered by the bank, but those projects—some more notably than others—could have negative social and/or environmental consequences. In your longer-term thinking about the life cycle of a project and the consequences thereafter, do you consider circular economy spin-offs or building in the initial aims across the full lifetime of the project?