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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

So it would have been just after April that you received the rejection of that document and you informed CMAL and Transport Scotland at that time.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

We asked the cabinet secretary when he became aware of issues with the MCA and he said that it was on 28 June, when he received a submission that

“set out the requirement for FMPG to install additional escapes in the upper deck areas.”

What I cannot understand is that, two days later, we had an update from you that had only a fleeting mention of the MCA and no mention of additional stairways having to be installed. Why was the committee not told at that opportunity that additional staircases had to be installed? The cabinet secretary knew two days before.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Could the complexity of the engine management system not potentially cause issues? Are the systems not more complex than what was needed?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

That £70 million figure is still a lot less than £200 million and £160 million. It seems that, instead of building two vessels, we have built a gravy train. That is a huge amount of money. What has happened to that extra £220 million? Has it all gone to contractors? Has it gone on things such as the installation of the wrong equipment, which has had to be taken out and scrapped? Where has that money gone?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

However, if you were building the ferries again, the cost would be a lot less, as you said earlier.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

I come back to the point that you made at the start—you said that these two ferries are more complex than a type 26 frigate. That sounds incredible. How on earth did we get into that situation?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Will the vessels ever run on LNG? Initially, they will not, will they?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

I want to get clarity on one point. Mr Tydeman, you spoke about the costs of the vessels being £200 million and £160 million. Does that include the pre-nationalisation costs and other costs, such as the loan to the yard that you mentioned? Are those figures the costs for everything that the Government has paid towards Ferguson’s and for the two vessels?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

However, the cabinet secretary was given clear information that additional escapes on the upper deck area had to be installed. Surely if he was told two days earlier, we should have been told in the update on 30 June.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

So, at the end of May, the Scottish Government would have known that there was an issue on the escape plan and the 1261. I am trying to work out why this committee was not aware of it until much later, and it seems that the cabinet secretary was not aware of it until much later as well. It would have been discussed at those meetings. This is maybe a question for us, convener—we have to try to work out why that was not fed back to the cabinet secretary if it was discussed at the meetings at the end of May that we have heard about.