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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Douglas Lumsden

I will come in on that point. If we deal with only larger businesses, is there the unintended consequence that some of them will move their distribution centres south of the border, where the same legislation to prevent them from disposing of unsold goods is not in place?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Douglas Lumsden

I am not saying—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Douglas Lumsden

In its letter, COSLA talks about co-production and the Verity house agreement and says that the threat of penalties is not in tune with that agreement. Do you not agree with it that the threat of penalties is not the way of building relationships and having a joint way of working?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Douglas Lumsden

During our evidence sessions, we heard from Orkney Council, which has quite a low recycling rate just now—I think that it is about 22 per cent, or around about that. However, it said that the amount of waste going to landfill was not high, because it has energy from waste, for example. It feels that, if it was to push that higher, it would mean more cost for it and probably be worse for the environment, as it would have to start shipping goods off to be recycled on the mainland, to Aberdeen or wherever.

What would you say to Orkney Council? Does it simply have to reach that higher target, even if it is worse for the environment?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Douglas Lumsden

From some of the evidence that we have heard, it seems that it is actually quite easy to get a waste carrier or waste handler licence. Is there scope to tighten up that provision to try to reduce the amount of rogue people—let us say—who collect rubbish and then fly-tip it elsewhere?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Douglas Lumsden

So, the target for places such as Orkney and Shetland could be lower.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Douglas Lumsden

I know, but that would be “soon”, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Douglas Lumsden

A route map was mentioned a few times earlier. Minister, I think that you said that it would be published “soon”. Can you provide a bit more clarity? Will it be published later this year or in the first quarter of next year? When do you expect it to be published?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Minister, you mentioned that SEPA can take action. Do we know how many actions it has taken in the past 12 months? You quoted fines of up to £40,000. How many people have, for example, been taken to court in the past 12 months?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Douglas Lumsden

So, to find out, the committee would have to write to every local authority to get that data.