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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 February 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

We appreciate your coming to the committee, of course. However, from our point of view, Leslie Evans was still employed and had relevant experience from which the committee could have learned, but she did not come.

We talk about openness and transparency, but there are missing records from Ferguson’s, questions about guarantees and legalities at Lochaber, Leslie Evans refusing to come to the committee, and the Scottish Information Commissioner ruling that the Scottish Government is withholding legal information that it could provide. Do you accept that there is a perception that, when it comes to openness and transparency, something is wrong that needs to be fixed quickly?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Appointments)

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

From what you have read so far, what do you think are the key challenges that the Scottish economy faces at present?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I will be quick, because of the time. On the missing records related to the Ferguson Marine contract, how can we be assured that lessons have been learned and improvements made when it comes to record keeping and recording decisions correctly?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I will move on. I have another question about Leslie Evans. She retired at the end of the year, but was paid until the end of March. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 3 May 2022

Douglas Lumsden

It is my understanding that she was paid until the end of March. Is that correct? I am only trying to get my head around what she was doing that meant that she could not appear before the committee, because she was still an employee.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme

Meeting date: 26 April 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Would decision makers and investigators take part in that process?

My concern is that there could be two individuals—an agency employee and a staff member—with identical complaints, and one complaint would be handled completely differently from the other. You have explained some of the reasons behind that. Ministers could be criticised because one complaint was not being dealt with effectively because it came from an agency worker.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme

Meeting date: 26 April 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Would a minister still be aware that a potential complaint was being made from an agency worker?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme

Meeting date: 26 April 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I asked about the issue of agency workers at the 25 January meeting and I still have a concern about that. I get that agency workers are not employees—they have their own employer, so the approach needs to be different. However, the new procedure says:

“Propriety & Ethics will take steps to assure that any agency worker with a concern about a Minister’s behaviour can have their issue addressed.”

Will that follow a separate procedure? Will the decision makers and investigators get involved at all in that process?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

It will be no surprise that I am going to ask about local government. Of course, I was new councillor of the year back in 2019, but I do not like to bring it up much, deputy convener. [Laughter.]

I will ask about a thing that struck me when I was reading the report. I asked a question on it of the Deputy First Minister, I think last month. Obviously, local authorities have local outcomes improvement plans, and at the national level we have the NPF. When we are commissioning services at local authority level, one of the first questions to ask is how the services will contribute to the outcomes that we are trying to achieve. That is the golden thread that goes through at local government level—we do not really ask about the NPF.

It is almost as though there are two chains—the Scottish Government chain, which seems to be broken before it gets down to local government, and then there is a chain at local government level. Is that a fair assessment? Have your members mentioned LOIPs not being aligned to the NPF? I guess that the situation is almost like VHS and Betamax: they do the same things, but they are different. How do we combine the two chains?