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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Douglas Lumsden

To pick up on that point, might health boards, too, have to change radically as the national care service comes into being? Would there be a reduction in the number of boards?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I know that the bill process is at an early stage but, given that the NHS would be a key partner in delivering a national care service, surely there have been some discussions to enable the Government to get to the point that it is at now. Has that not been the case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Douglas Lumsden

From the written submissions and what you have said, there seem to be a number of risks. We have heard about transition costs, the number of boards and a doubling of the running costs, as well as uncertainty on VAT, pensions, staff numbers, scope, impact on the third sector, IT systems, records and training. We have already covered a huge number of unknowns. How do we keep track of them and know what the costs will be to mitigate some of those risks? Can you think of any other unknowns that should be added to my list?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Douglas Lumsden

So there is not yet one place where all the risks have been written down so that we can all see them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Is the aim for the new national care service to take ownership of those assets or would the local authority still be a provider to the service? Is that still to be worked out? It may not be known yet.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

As we go through the business cases, there will, as you say, potentially be additional capital costs to the Scottish Government in buying assets from local government where authorities have chosen to pull out of providing the service and leave it up to the national care service.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

This is my last point. The Scottish Government desires to reduce its estate and offices and have more people co-locating. From the financial memorandum, it looks like there will be new offices as the extra level is created. Does that not go against what the Scottish Government is doing in trying to rationalise?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I thought that the whole idea was to provide consistency across Scotland. If different boards are doing things differently, we lose that consistency.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

We might potentially still have a postcode lottery, in which the kind of service that someone receives depends on where they live.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Following on from your mention of the local governance review, has there been any more work on that? You are right that, if social care is no longer under local government’s responsibility, there would be a huge impact on that review.