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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2022
Dr Pam Gosal MBE
Good afternoon and thank you for your opening statements and the evidence that you have provided. I want to go back to the issue that Pam Duncan-Glancy has just asked about and probe it a little bit more.
Sandy Brindley, you have talked about single-sex spaces and service providers, and you have said that the bill will not impact the services that are provided or the single-sex spaces that we can go into. Can you help me to understand how the bill will work in that respect? If someone from the Muslim faith or the Indian faiths uses a single-sex space—or their daughter, mother, auntie or whoever goes into such a place—they will not know who is in the bathroom, say, when they go in to use that space. When they look around, see a person and think that they are female, that is it—it is okay. However, if they saw something different in there, how would you work around that to make it safe for them? How can you say to the Muslim community or most of the Asian community that they are safe to go into bathrooms, when the bill opens up the possibility for a lot more people to have a GRC?
I raised the issue of doctors with the earlier panel of witnesses. A couple of weeks ago, I asked some witnesses whether, if a doctor is trans, they have to tell an Asian—or any—female that they are, and I was told that they do not have to. The doctor would therefore be breaking the woman’s religion, because the woman would not see or know that—unknowingly, her religion would be broken. Can you help me understand how the practicalities of the bill would work in that respect?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2022
Dr Pam Gosal MBE
Kate and Malcolm, is there anything that you want to add?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2022
Dr Pam Gosal MBE
On that point, Sandy, how do restaurants and bars that have single-sex toilets police them and keep bad-faith actors from accessing them?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2022
Dr Pam Gosal MBE
That is what I am asking you. If the bill was passed, would it not make things harder for providers with regard to the justification that people would have to give? I am not for or against this—I am just asking how that would work.
Your answer was fine. Is anybody able to answer the medical side of the question?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 31 May 2022
Dr Pam Gosal MBE
I am talking about any public toilets or any public space.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 May 2022
Dr Pam Gosal MBE
My next question is for Bruce Adamson and Ellie Gomersall.
Last week, we heard from the Equality and Human Rights Commission that individuals who acquire a GRC can access women’s and girls’ single-sex spaces such as toilets, changing rooms, refuges and hospital wards, and that the exclusion of individuals with a GRC would be direct discrimination, subject to justification.
There are concerns from those opposed to the bill that the self-declaration aspect could open the bill up to abuse by bad-faith actors. Do you think that certain groups of individuals, such as people who are on the sex offenders register, for example, should be ineligible to apply for a GRC on the basis of self-declaration? If not, are there any other safeguards that you think would be best placed to ensure that the bill has no unintended consequences for children’s rights?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 May 2022
Dr Pam Gosal MBE
I want to follow that up. You mentioned that the process is pretty rigorous right now but, under the bill, the process will be much easier. If there are no safeguards in place, will that open up the process to such predators?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 May 2022
Dr Pam Gosal MBE
Thank you. Commissioner, this is a big concern and a big question that everybody is asking. Can you give me your view on it?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 May 2022
Dr Pam Gosal MBE
Yes.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 24 May 2022
Dr Pam Gosal MBE
Thank you for your opening statements. You have touched on this, but will you go into a little more depth on how you see the self-ID policy working across sports, from the grass roots to the competitive elite levels? What evidence base is there on the impact of testosterone on performance?