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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 March 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Human Rights, Equalities and Access to Services (Rural Areas)

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning, everybody. I am a member of the Scottish Parliament for the West Scotland region.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Human Rights, Equalities and Access to Services (Rural Areas)

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning, panel, and thank you for all the information that you have provided so far. We know that housing shortages are a significant issue in rural communities. The best way to combat shortages is to build new homes but, year after year, the Scottish Government falls short of what is needed to tackle growing homelessness levels—the latest statistics show that house building completions are down by about 6 per cent on the previous year.

Our rural communities face unique challenges that we do not normally see in urban areas, such as a lack of infrastructure, logistical hurdles and complex planning and affordability issues. At the same time, many homes in rural areas are old and poorly insulated, so they are prone to damp, mould and expensive heating costs. It is little wonder that there is rural depopulation—there is a depopulation crisis in rural areas.

What should the Scottish Government be doing better to ensure that rural communities are no longer overlooked, especially when it comes to housing?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

No, thank you, Wendy. My interest is more specific, so perhaps you could write to the committee and let us know more. It is good that you have information from Scottish Women’s Aid and other stakeholders, but I am particularly interested in black, Asian and minority ethnic communities, in which domestic abuse cases are obviously very different, culturally, especially with regard to child contact and the kind of role that child contact centres play. I always say that one size never fits all. It was just to understand whether you went out to organisations such as Sikh Sanjog and Amina—the Muslim Women’s Resource Centre—to see how domestic abuse is talked about by BAME communities and BAME organisations that deal with domestic abuse among those cultures every day.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning. Thank you, minister, for your opening statement. As you know, children experiencing domestic abuse are already extremely vulnerable. That is why we must ensure that they are kept safe in child contact centres. The regulations that have been laid by the Government would require the Care Inspectorate to report the failure of a child contact services provider to comply with the Equality Act 2010. Are you confident that the proposed regulations address the concerns about child contact centres from families who are affected by domestic abuse?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I have a wee add-on question. You said that you have held consultations and done some work with Scottish Women’s Aid. Have you done any work with other organisations?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you very much for that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

We need to be sure about this. Have you listened to those concerns?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning, cabinet secretary and officials. Cabinet secretary, I asked one of the previous panels this question. Religious education is one thing, but do you believe that the bill’s provisions could be extended to other subjects? As you might know, I have introduced the Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill, which makes domestic abuse education in schools mandatory, but which would also give parents the option to withdraw their children from such courses.

Similarly, we have heard that primary schools are working with controversial groups such as LGBT Youth Scotland, with many parents expressing concern about what their children are being taught. Do you believe that the bill will end up setting a precedent whereby children as young as primary school age can override their parents, even when it comes to controversial subject areas that could harm them?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for that clarity. You talk about children’s views being heard. I will break it down and give an example of a possible scenario, to see whether I am hearing what you have said correctly. If a child decides to go against what their parents have decided, they can do that, because you have said that their views should be heard. Those views will be heard by somebody—a teacher or a headteacher—in their school, and that person will have to make a decision about whether that child is capable. It does not matter what age the child is—we have heard that one child can be capable at the age of 13 and another child can be capable at the age of 15. Again, I go back to the point that somebody has to decide and, whether it is right or wrong, the parents may not like that decision.

How do you see such scenarios playing out? I accept that you say that there might be only a small number of cases, but every child is different and, obviously, every child has parents who care about them and might want a different arrangement, so there might be a conflict there. Like Tess White, I would like to know where teachers and headteachers can get help in such situations. Who makes the decisions in such cases, because the parents might not like the outcome?

I took RE when I was younger. Although I agree that religious education brings in certain good values and that it is especially good for people to understand different religions, I have to say that I see that there is a conflict, and I want to hear how, practically, that can be managed.

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