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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you, Martin. I look forward to the outcomes of the group.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you, Alyia. It is really pleasing to hear that you are ahead of the curve and providing space for different people—not just single-sex spaces but gender-neutral spaces. That is really good.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

That is fine—I thought that I would just ask.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good afternoon. I want to come back to the case of Sandie Peggie, which you may have heard me speak about with the earlier witnesses. At a time when our NHS is struggling to recruit and retain staff, what happened in that case is the last thing that we need. Women need to feel safe at work, so why would they want to take a job where they are forced to strip naked in front of men? What are your organisations doing to ensure that we do not have another Sandie Peggie situation? Do you believe that you are complying with the Equality Act 2010? Do you believe that gender self-identification is trumping that act in terms of women’s rights?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

I will probe more into the facilities side. Do the toilets and the changing rooms comply with the Equality Act 2010? When you write your policies and guidance, how do you prescribe them? Do you go back to the Equality Act 2010 and look at the rights for women and girls?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

That is fine. If you could pass on the information, I would be really grateful.

Martin Ingram, what is your answer to that question?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for that, Martin. You said you have set up a member and officer group. How long has that group been running? Has anything come out of that that you can share with us?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you. I have one more question, which might be for either Nicky or Jillian to answer. The police force in Scotland is obviously predominantly male and it is often faced with difficult situations and dangerous criminals who are also predominantly male. We have seen examples in Scotland of rapists claiming to be female just to be housed in women’s prisons. Current guidance states that only men with a known history of violence against women, including sexual violence, are excluded from the female estate. That policy is not only based on gender self-identification, which is not the law of the land, but ignores the fact that most violence against women goes unreported.

I am struggling to understand why the Scottish Prison Service believes that the responsibility for affirming the identities of male criminals should fall on women prisoners. Do you believe that the Scottish Prison Service is complying with the Equality Act 2010, or is self-ID trumping the 2010 act over women’s rights? I will go to Jillian Matthew first. Has any work been done on that in your area? I will then go to Nicky Page and, if John Dawson wants to comment, that is fine as well.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Okay. Do you know—please say if you do not—whether that guidance will be interpreted through policy or the Equality Act 2010?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

As the minister will know, violence against women and girls is one of the areas to which I have paid great attention since I have become an MSP. I often meet with representatives of organisations in the violence against women and girls sector. Lack of funding has been a major issue for many of those organisations, particularly the smaller and less well-known ones. They say that they need more certainty from the Scottish Government to be able to carry out the excellent work that they do in helping women and girls, many of whom are survivors of domestic abuse. What is the Government doing to ensure that those organisations have the certainty that they need, especially through funding, to carry out their important work helping women and girls?