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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Good morning. I am particularly interested in developing the theme of unmet need and trying to better understand an unmet need for legal aid. Is it possible to start there and get a bit more depth on where you think that there are unmet needs within your specialist interest? I will ask Andy Sirel to start.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Thank you for that. The Social Justice and Social Security Committee, on which Marie McNair and I sit, is doing work around financial abuse in domestic abuse. We have heard some evidence already about the challenge of trying to find a solicitor in what is often a very difficult set of circumstances, and having to go round lots of different solicitors to try to find someone who might take on a legal aid case. Citizens Advice Scotland acts as a front door to some of this. Do you have any reflections on that wider piece?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Thanks. We have spoken about advice deserts, both in geographical terms—we have heard about the situation in rural areas—and in relation to specific subjects, such as housing. The Government has declared a housing emergency. It would be useful for the committee to understand what impact a lack of advice or legal recourse is having on the wider picture.

10:45  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Thank you. I am grateful.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

That was helpful. So, the piece of research is not going to happen.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Finally, I am interested in the real challenges around public debt and the legal options that are open to people to try to get themselves into a better position with the debt that they owe to public agencies. Very often, that will involve a degree of legal advice. I have spoken to firms in my region that do a lot of such work pro bono in order to try to support people, even if that just involves having an initial discussion with a counsellor or whoever about getting into a payment plan. Is that something that you have seen through your work?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Good morning. I am particularly interested in the proposals that the Government had to reform legal aid. The intention was to bring forward proposals in this parliamentary session, but that has not happened and now will not happen. Building on the Evans review, the Government set up a number of working groups; my understanding is that the Law Society withdrew from those groups, and I am keen to understand the Law Society’s motivation and view in doing that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Aaliya, do you have anything to add on the need for primary legislation?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Do you want to add anything, Hyo Eun Shin?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Financial Considerations When Leaving an Abusive Relationship

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

We have referred to the committee’s work on reviewing the structure of legal aid. The Government has also committed to a review of the fees and a wider review of the legal aid system—we started to cover that in our conversation this morning.

I have two questions, the first of which is about the pace of change and the inquiries. Is all of that happening quickly enough? Secondly, what broad issues do you want to see captured in any system reform? I appreciate that it is big question, but it would be useful to get a sense of everyone’s view on it.