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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Section 6 covers the ability to continue gross misconduct proceedings after someone has left the service. You are supportive of that. However, there is significant opposition to that from the representative bodies, which might be expected. Having presumably been aware of their evidence, can you address that and explain why, on balance, you think that that is the right thing?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Russell Findlay

So that might be a useful amendment, potentially.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Russell Findlay

I have a final quick question if that is okay. In your supplementary submission to the committee, you support a move for the chief constable to be empowered to dismiss officers without a long drawn-out process. You also suggest that the Scottish Government is giving that consideration. Are you in communication with it about that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Russell Findlay

So, watch this space.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

There have been quite a few references to Lady Elish’s testimony to the committee last week, with the suggestion being that everything is pretty good. However, it is probably worth recalling that she produced a report that laid bare a dysfunctional system of police compliance and regulation and which made 111 recommendations, most of which require legislation to enact. In the absence of Martyn Evans, I ask Fiona McQueen whether the Scottish Police Authority considers itself to be institutionally racist, sexist and discriminatory.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Does the SPA have a view on whether the duty should apply to police staff and non-police officers?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Thank you. Ms McQueen, in your opening remarks, you talked about the importance of the process being transparent, efficient and fair for the public and police officers, but we have heard evidence from whistleblowers that the complaints process is sometimes, to use their words, “weaponised” and used against them. There was an example of a former female officer who proved sexist discrimination in an employment tribunal and she has been trapped in a process that is nine—going on 10—years long, which is hardly efficient or swift. That case is still with the SPA, as it happens. She has lost her career, she has lost her health and she has lost every penny that she had. She believes that the process is punishment, and I do not think that her case is unusual, because I have heard of many similar cases. Does the bill adequately protect whistleblowers, and will it do anything to change the culture that exists in the SPA and Police Scotland?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

Do you refer everything, even a complaint about excessive force?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

The figures in the financial memorandum might actually go down—you never know.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Russell Findlay

The PIRC previously raised with the committee a particular shocking case in which an individual was wrongly arrested, locked up for a number of days and subsequently apologised to and compensated. That was a number of years ago. Are you now confident, post-Angiolini, that that type of incident is not likely to reoccur? Does it require legislation to prevent such matters from reoccurring or will the non-legislative parts of the Angiolini report’s recommendations, which are mostly implemented, prevent something like that from happening again?