The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.
The Official Report search offers lots of different ways to find the information you’re looking for. The search is used as a professional tool by researchers and third-party organisations. It is also used by members of the public who may have less parliamentary awareness. This means it needs to provide the ability to run complex searches, and the ability to browse reports or perform a simple keyword search.
The web version of the Official Report has three different views:
Depending on the kind of search you want to do, one of these views will be the best option. The default view is to show the report for each meeting of Parliament or a committee. For a simple keyword search, the results will be shown by item of business.
When you choose to search by a particular MSP, the results returned will show each spoken contribution in Parliament or a committee, ordered by date with the most recent contributions first. This will usually return a lot of results, but you can refine your search by keyword, date and/or by meeting (committee or Chamber business).
We’ve chosen to display the entirety of each MSP’s contribution in the search results. This is intended to reduce the number of times that users need to click into an actual report to get the information that they’re looking for, but in some cases it can lead to very short contributions (“Yes.”) or very long ones (Ministerial statements, for example.) We’ll keep this under review and get feedback from users on whether this approach best meets their needs.
There are two types of keyword search:
If you select an MSP’s name from the dropdown menu, and add a phrase in quotation marks to the keyword field, then the search will return only examples of when the MSP said those exact words. You can further refine this search by adding a date range or selecting a particular committee or Meeting of the Parliament.
It’s also possible to run basic Boolean searches. For example:
There are two ways of searching by date.
You can either use the Start date and End date options to run a search across a particular date range. For example, you may know that a particular subject was discussed at some point in the last few weeks and choose a date range to reflect that.
Alternatively, you can use one of the pre-defined date ranges under “Select a time period”. These are:
If you search by an individual session, the list of MSPs and committees will automatically update to show only the MSPs and committees which were current during that session. For example, if you select Session 1 you will be show a list of MSPs and committees from Session 1.
If you add a custom date range which crosses more than one session of Parliament, the lists of MSPs and committees will update to show the information that was current at that time.
All Official Reports of meetings in the Debating Chamber of the Scottish Parliament.
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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 September 2021
Russell Findlay
To go back to my point, nobody is suggesting that there are not problems with accessing justice, but the blunt tool of more money seems slightly jarring. Do you agree with that?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 September 2021
Russell Findlay
I want to ask Mr Lancaster about fraud and abuse of legal aid. By my reckoning, just under £1.9 billion of legal aid has been paid out since the banking crash, and some have found such rich pickings rather tempting. In my previous job as a journalist, I reported extensively on a number of solicitors who committed suspected fraud with regard to legal aid. I will not name names—it is all in the public domain—but it is worth while touching on some of the details.
One particular solicitor claimed £600,000 in two years. The claims were unnecessary and excessive and were made to exploit the legal aid fund, but it still took four years to ban him for making any more claims. Another submitted 81 accounts that were described as fictional and fraudulent, but he was not prosecuted. A third solicitor who claimed £560,000 in one year had a history of such abuse, but, again, it took several more years to strike him off.
Around the same time, we became aware of 14 solicitors, who might or might not have included the three whom I have mentioned, being reported to the Crown Office for similar fraud, but none was the subject of criminal proceedings. As the gatekeeper and guardian of these huge sums of public money, do you know whether similar types of abuse are still happening today?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 September 2021
Russell Findlay
I have the Evans report here—I can quote some of it, if you like. Referring to the Law Society of Scotland’s Otterburn report, the Evans report states:
“Assumptions appear to have been made in the report and notional calculations used to reach the hourly rate”—
for the purpose of a press release—
“rather than figures provided by respondents.”
Mr Evans describes the Otterburn report as
“an admirable attempt by the Law Society of Scotland to quantify the commercial viability of conducting legal aid work”,
but he concludes that there is no evidential basis for raising fees. Do you discount the Evans report in its entirety? Do you recognise that picture?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 September 2021
Russell Findlay
Could I ask two more brief questions, or are we moving on?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 September 2021
Russell Findlay
Professor Paterson, do you believe that there is any risk that the previous warnings from the Law Society of Scotland over many years—the Law Society being a very effective lobbying organisation—will count against it today? It is a case of crying wolf, perhaps—or that could be the public perception.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 September 2021
Russell Findlay
I agree broadly with everything that has been said. As Jamie Greene noted, we are where we are. We were given only a partial picture a week ago and it took the committee agitating for some answers to reveal a much more complex picture. In future, if we can, we should ensure that the authorities with which we are dealing are a bit more forthcoming in respect of such issues, especially when we are on a precipice and there is not much that we can do other than note our concerns.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 September 2021
Russell Findlay
We should also write to the inspectorate.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 September 2021
Russell Findlay
My questions, which are on the not proven verdict, are for Ronnie Renucci and James Chalmers. I will ask them one after the other.
Mr Renucci, on the not proven verdict and what might happen to it, the Faculty of Advocates highlights the need
“to identify the changes in our criminal justice system”
that would come along with any such change and that failure to do so would risk “jeopardising reliable justice”. Can you expand on what those fears or potential unforeseen consequences might be?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 September 2021
Russell Findlay
Thank you.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 22 September 2021
Russell Findlay
Has the Government indicated how long the review will take, or when it will get round to it?